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France riles allies by inviting Russia to D-Day commemoration
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I mean
Remembering old friendships and times we were suffering and struggling together, even if the present day is death and mistrust and we’re enemies, doesn’t seem like the worst thing in the world
To a lot of people the US and the EU have often been the devil man that Russia is today. We can let it go for short periods of time, I think, sometimes.
Just my opinion
I can appreciate that sentiment but at the same time it'd be hard to swallow if I were Ukrainian and the Russians were at this very moment killing my countrymen while my ally invites them over for tea. It's one thing to let go of the past, quite another to let go of the present.
Exactly, totalitarian regimes gain soft power through good faith measures.
Yeah, maybe so. I'm sorta just playing devil's advocate. My point wasn't that Russia isn't a terrorist state which is visiting pointless destruction on the world at large in a stupid and dangerous way, more that the US has also roamed around the world killing innocent people for a variety of reasons, and we still get to go the Olympics and everything.
(I mean I'm not saying they're the same, and I kind of like that Russia got excluded from some of the friendly people's clubs when they started behaving like a rabid dog. Just, I'm saying maybe extending an olive branch every now and then is okay.)
Sanctioning Russia should take any and all forms until they stop their assault on Ukraine. They've made it clear that they're not acting in good faith, so extending that to them is five steps short of appeasement.
Sanctions are not doing shit.
From what I've understand, sanctions have slowed Russia down significantly.
They may still be able to get the things they need, but it's costing them more than it would have to do so.
This is a country that thought they could steamroll Ukraine in weeks and have now been stuck in the war for years.
Feels to me like sanctions did a lot to help tbh.
From people directly in Russia they are largely unaware there are sanctions because it hasnt impacted them. Russia was one of only 3 counties that saw positive wage grown during covid and have held on to that growth. Wages outpaced inflation.
Sure,
But what would they have experienced without sanctions? Presumably a higher wage growth, no?
No?
We can keep them indefinitely then, right? If they're not doing anything there is no need to ever revoke them.
It doesn't matter, it is a reflection that the US no longer has a stranglehold on world economies
Clearly not; I just meant that we should at the very least not be weakening the spirit of the sanctions even in the slightest by sending Russia diplomatic invitations to events.
I think you might mean "Sanctions alone will not do shit, Ukraine needs shells, planes, tanks and unfortunately more bodies."
Currently are. The average person of the average Arab country right now probably has a worse opinion of the US than they have of Russia, and for good reason. The post-colonial status of France in plenty of countries in West Africa also make a sizable amount of people there hostile to France, even if the situation is more nuanced. Personally, I'm not a fan of any empire.
Yeah.
Russia invades Ukraine and bombs apartment buildings, it's like hey WTF those are perfectly innocent people
Israel turns the whole of Gaza into a wasteland of corpses and famine and it's like well of course, they're seeing to their security situation, as any country would, here's some bombs my loving brother
I don't think Israel should be allowed at the Olympics either, FWIW
Western countries' relationship with russia may be more relaxed and allow for making ammends, but for any country in the east there was never a time in the past centuries when russia has not behaved lile a bully. Heck, ask any ww2 survivor in eastern europe and they'll tell you the russian "liberator" soldier was just a pillaging and raping piece of shit, and this was when they were technically not the occupier. And this before you start discussing the horrors of russian communist imperialism. I think its quite justified to think they should not be invited to any ww2 commemorations or allowed to act like they are part of "the good guys".
Why do any ww2 commemoration if you're not going to invite the country that ended the war at this point ?
True, but it's not the first time someone has that idea. Germany spent 2 decades appeasing Russia to try to integrate them, and america and NATO basically served their requests after the 2008 invasion of Georgia in an attempt to get them to behave and be a part of the gang. We already know that it means nothing to Putin, we don't need to try this stuff again.