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I agree they're stupid, but these aren't people with malicious intent, and you want them to spend 10 years in prison? What do you think this solves?
I mean, all they had to do was take the least amount of effort possible to ensure their luggage was clean.
If they couldnt muster the give a fuck to do that, and intentionally went to a country that they know has these laws...Then why should I muster enough of a fuck to wring my hands desperately over the situation their own lack of care and concern created?
i think this solves the problem of idiots and assholes thinking they can flout rules and get away with it, regardless of its malicious or willful incompetence.
Don't search your luggage? Straight to gulag!
How many years have you taken yoga to be able to stretch and twist like that?
Ive travelled over i ternational borders with a dime bag in my luggage that i didnt even know was there until weeks after i got home. Dont be obtuse, there are lots of compartments in luggage whrre something as small as a bullet can hide even if you check the bag. Who the fuck gives a full cavity search to their luggage everyrime they use it?
look man just because you're apparently a junkie fuckup who can't control his sensitive items does NOT mean the rest of the world's standards should be dropped to accommodate your idiocy.
its crazy how these dumbasses keep tattling on themselves like it somehow justifies this shit, isnt it?
real bright lights all around.
"But officer I left my gun in my car" https://jalopnik.com/youve-got-to-stop-keeping-your-gun-in-your-car-1850929717
"I'm an incompetent, careless and entitled asshole, so obviously I'm going to argue real hard for these other incompetent, careless, entitled assholes so I dont have to be held accountable for my own actions!"
No one is asking you to care about them.
The question is whether or not you honestly think sending these people to prison for 10 years makes any sense. It's the same thing when some poor black kid gets caught with some weed and goes to jail. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, and it's easy to point at their actions and say they were "idiots" for doing drugs and carrying it around them, and that they were "flouting the rules" by having a controlled substance. But I also know an injustice when I see one.
And there is precisely zero indication that these people are "flouting the rules." This would actually more likely apply more to the kid with some pot, because they know it's against the law and they likely know they have it on them. Why would you bring a handful of ammo into a country on vacation with no gun or anything? Hell, even if you had a gun, a few rounds isn't going to do much.
You're trying to paint it in the worst possible light. Slow down, take a breath, and think about this rationally and objectively for a second. Does this really solve a problem? Is this a good thing for our society? At least one of these people is a parent, do you really think it's great they lose their parent for 10+ years because of two bullets accidentally left in a bag? I just can't fathom how anyone sees any justice in this. There's no requirement that you think so vengefully.
"If you had a gun, a few rounds isn't going to do much"
LMFAO one round is enough to commit murder
LMFAO one round is enough to lose 12 years of your life, instead of you know, scanning, seeing they have one round, pulling them aside, taking it out. Yaknow, like what's done with fluids.
Missing the forest for the trees.
It doesn't matter who thinks what. There's a law and it was broken, off you go to jail.
Good thing all laws are ethical, moral and make sense. I imagine everybody on lemmy will agree that laws are the best thing ever that they never break.
Having weapons or ammo on you as a civilian is 100% unethical and immoral.
Sure buddy
This guy fascists
yet when we talk about the morality surrounding selling stupid, violent and dangerous people firearms you get laser focused on literal (MISINTERPRETATION) of a 200yr old document. And your stupidity and support of said stupidity literally results in dead kids, by the thousands.
Tell me again about the morality regarding the cult of the bang bang, please.
That's fucking hilarious.
"WOULD ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDRIIIIN" argument about someone who loses 12 years of their life and isn't there to raise them after a single round is found in their baggage. Isn't that what police do with potheads? Guess that's justified too
nuanced argument. you upset bro?
how many people do you think they should just forgive when it keeps fucking happening?
https://nypost.com/2024/05/08/world-news/bryan-hagerich-dad-facing-turks-and-caicos-prison-time-for-ammo-charge-says-law-has-unintended-consequences/
Ryan Watson, 40, of Oklahoma, a father of two who was most recently arrested for unknowingly having ammo in his bag on April 12, remains on the island. Both men previously told Fox News Digital that they had the ammo in their bags from prior hunting trips.
Michael Lee Evans, 72, pleaded guilty to having ammunition in his bag on April 24, according to local news outlet the Turks & Caicos Sun. His sentencing hearing is scheduled for June 18.
how many times should this country watch stupid americans try it again and again before someone actually pays consequences?
and how many people do you think our country would forgive?
pfft.
So law and morality are the same?
It keeps complete morons off the streets and out of reach of firearms.
Because people who completely lack the necessary care and disciplin should not be armed.
You honestly believe that over a decade in prison is a good punishment for this type of accident? We are talking about it possibly resulting in kids being without their parents for the bulk of their childhood. Do you really think society is better off if that happens?
you and I both know they won't spend a decade in the clink. IF they get sentenced then the state dept will go to work and these jackasses will pay some kind of fine.
Don't want to go to a jail in a foreign country? Don't break their fucking laws. It's really quite simple. And each and every one of these idiots admitted to their crime. Not a single one is innocent.
I would hope not, but I know nothing of the Turks and Caicos legal system, so it would be extremely presumptuous of me to claim I know that.
Either they do something now, or after conviction, I don't particularly care.
This is the whole point, it seems these were completely unintentional violations of their laws. The way you write this makes it sound like they just don't care about the laws there.
people unintentionally break US laws all the time, yet our system still punishes them. and foreigners who visit and do the same too.
it's a law system, not a kindness and forgiveness system.
I think the Turks is fucking justified in being upset at the endless line of assholes who KEEP TRYING TO BRING AMMO into their country. It's not an isolated incident.
Does it really need to be explained that two wrongs don't make a right? It seems mad to me that one would say "these people should be punished because the us justice system does some things poorly."
They didn't pass this law because people were unintentionally bringing tiny amounts of ammo into the country, they passed it because the law wasn't strict enough to punish people smuggling in ammo for gangs. How does one actually convince themselves that they were actually targeting tourists with 10 years in prison because they accidentally bring ammo in the country? Lol
oh you were in the legislature when the laws were crafted?
REALLY?
I'm dubious.
In fact, they didn't pass a law that said "no ammo but one or two rounds is aight". Not "No ammo but accidents happen we understand and will be merciful and lenient, unlike the US's policies..."
no. They're a sovereign nation man, piss and moan, whine and bitch all you want, they get to make their rules and when you go there their rules get to apply to you. Stand up and be an adult. Fuck.
Lol were you in the legislature when they passed this law? You seemed to have no issue declaring the reason for it when it confirmed what you wanted to be true, and now hypocritically are attacking me for for actually knowing why the law exists.
And no one is saying that they can't make their laws as they like. You've so badly lost this argument, and you know it, that you've turned to blatant hypocrisy and to attacking strawmen. Again, to be clear, I'm arguing the law is clearly unjust and it would a travesty of justice that these people lose 10 years of their lives, and their children lose 10 years of their parents, because they made a mistake.
cute gish gallop.
back in reality, you want to take chances with jail time, visit other countries and break their laws about ordinance, if you think this is unique to T&C you'd be in for a fun time.
Beginning to think you have tacos for brains. gonna block you so I don't have to waste more time on your bullshit.
The punishment is first and formost for being terminally stupid. It is high time to stop cuddling the idiots. They broke the law, they should serve. Or do you think that law is just a joke?
Why do you feel people need to spend 10 years in jail for being stupid? And no I don't think the law is a joke, I think this one is very unjust.
stop cuddling the idiots everyone!! They’re getting far to warm and cozy