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I want you to explain to me how you expect the Democratic Party, (and just the Democratic Party, not assuming that suddenly you have replaced every functionary and Republican and Independent in the government) assuming it was suddenly animated as one with your spirit of grand strategy, would, in a manner democratic, lawful, and not politically self-destructive, have prevented the scenario we're in now.
Oh, in that case, fuck those four years of peace that we could use to organize and fight back, let's let them get started on the orgy of genocide NOW, huh?
MY strategy in the long-term is to create political alternatives to the fuckery we're in.
My strategy in the short-term is the only realistic one six months out from a presidential election against a fucking fascist with no other prominent political figures even vaguely considering running - vote for the coalition opposition candidate.
You think we've been using this last four years to organize? Bull. That's exactly my problem with the Democrats, is that they have done nothing in the last four years to stop what's going on. We just all collectively acted like there was no problem, Because we were tired from the previous four years. A bunch of ostriches with their heads in the sand.
You say you want an alternative to our current system, but explicitly there is no option for that alternative if every election becomes a damage control election. You are reinforcing that system by demanding that people vote for Democrats, without Democrats having to change their views to match the populace. How are we supposed to enact change if our voices do not matter to our own party? You know this, and you're stuck in that cognitive dissonance. Which is exactly where the party wants you.
As for solutions, I can think of quite a few things that I was proposing at the time that they were relevant. For starters, we should have never appointed Merrick Garland. All of the progressives were screaming at you folk about this, and you didn't listen and now there's egg on your face. Sorry, but that's how it typically goes.
Secondly, we should have impeached Donald Trump the night of the insurrection when Republicans didn't know which way the political winds were headed. You had people like Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham ready to get off the Trump train until Fox News was able to successfully spin it after the months and months long investigation. There was no need for an investigation. You could have had a one sentence impeachment article referencing the insurrection.
But these are Democrats we're talking about. They don't actually do anything.
Correction : the investigation was a couple of weeks. In my defense time moves much slower during that crazy month. My point still stands that they should have done it on the spot instead of letting Fox News spin it.
Oh, great, so now you're going to vote for fascism because YOU didn't use the past four years wisely. Great. I share a polity with a bunch of fucking children.
They wouldn't even vote for impeachment, genius.
You are not engaging in good faith right now. I am not voting for Donald Trump. Hell, ironically, my vote doesn't matter at all. I'm in a ruby red state, bless the stupid Electoral College.
You didn't even listen to what I said. They didn't vote for impeachment because we gave them time to see where the political winds were headed. Months and months of a needless investigation that allowed the right-wing spin machine to turn someone like Lindsey Graham into somebody who was furious into an ally.
There are two outcomes of this election. Trump, or Biden. If you sit with your thumb up your ass as an infant drowns in an ankle-deep pool in front of you, you are not 'innocent' because you 'did nothing', you're guilty because of your inaction, or your pointless action, if you prefer.
Do...
Do you not remember when the impeachment vote was held?
Please, tell me when the impeachment vote was held. In your own words.
Explain to me exactly how my vote in a Ruby Red State of Not Trump is somehow going to hurt Biden's electoral odds. Come on, tell me.
Do you even understand how the Electoral College works?
This is becoming an increasingly unproductive conversation, your utterly delusional and arguing in bad faith. Enjoy your loss. Come November. You've earned it. Honestly, I'm just gonna block you at this point.
The popular vote is an important part of the legitimization of the results of the electoral college, and things are already going to be pretty fucking dicey on that front. So every vote DOES matter, especially when regarding the political winds that will change according to how resoundingly (or narrowly) the fascist was rejected.
That being said, I do regard a protest vote in a 'safe' state as much less vile than one in a swing state due to our system.
Now, answer my question:
Congrats. My favorite part is where you said the impeachment vote happened "months" later and that we TOTALLY could have gotten LOTS of Republicans to vote for impeachment if the vote had only happened, say, in the month of January. Maybe early, like January 13th or something, when Jan 6 was still on everyone's mind.