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[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago

Congress approved sending the weapons. It's literally illegal for Biden not to send them. They wouldn't even allow him not to send one type of bomb that would be especially catastrophic to civilians.

[-] Krono@lemmy.today 6 points 5 months ago

The president has oversight in weapons shipments.

Congress passed the Leahy law, which prevents weapons shipments to regimes that violate human rights.

The only thing the Biden state dept has to do is acknowledge Israel's war crimes in a formal report. But they have been bending over backwards to delay and water down the report.

Biden could legally stop these genocidal resupplies today if he wanted to .

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago

It's way more complicated than Biden just saying so. It takes intensive investigation and can only be used for very specific reasons: torture, extrajudicial killing, enforced disappearance, and rape under color of law.

https://www.state.gov/key-topics-bureau-of-democracy-human-rights-and-labor/human-rights/leahy-law-fact-sheet/

[-] Krono@lemmy.today 5 points 5 months ago

intensive investigation

Yes that intensive investigation has occurred, the report was released on May 10. It stopped just short of admitting gross violations of human rights in Gaza.

This political document, submitted by the Biden administration's state department, laughably suggests that there is no evidence of intentional wrongdoing, nor did Israel arbitrarily obstruct humanitarian aid into Gaza.

I think the only way you can read this report and find it credible is if you are already filled with Zionist propaganda.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I listed the four reasons above by which arms can be withheld. Violations of human rights and obstructing aid are not on that list, like it or not. I find it highly more likely that if there was any wrongdoing, it was Israel concealing the truth from US investigators, not bad faith of the US government. Biden was literally one of the drafters of United Nations Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. I don't see him standing by and letting that happen if he can help it.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

All of which is happening in Gaza yes?

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Not that I am aware. The only one that might have happened is torture but that depends on whether the legal definition includes thing like waterboarding, sleep deprivation, or other things we like to call "enhanced interrogation".

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

All of which is happening in Gaza yes?

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

And yet he has come out strongly against the student protests with classic talking points like "law and order". Stop making excuses for the bag of bones and own up to his positions if your going to support him.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

I own up to his real position. I won't own up to fake positions he never held. He sent offensive weapons to Israel after it was apparent this has gone far beyond simple defense from terrorists. If I had my choice I would have only sent humanitarian aid and defensive weapons like resupplies for the iron dome. I also suppose acknowledging Palestine while at the same time recognizing that Hamas is a dangerous group which leads the country and needs to be overthrown. The only way Israel will ever get Hamas out of Palestine is by supporting the Palestinian people who want to fight for control of their own country.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

The only way Israel will ever get Hamas out of Palestine is by supporting the Palestinian people who want to fight for control of their own country.

Isreal created Hamas through funding religious extremism in Gaza to undercut moderate political power. They have manufactured the justification for genocide, this is decades in the making. You have obviously consumed alot of zionist propaganda but it's time to deprogram that shit.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

The far right in Israel has a lot to answer for. There is no doubt that the actions of Israel in Palestine created Hamas. I think it's too far of a jump to say this is intentionally creating a justification for genocide. It's also important to acknowledge that the government in both countries doesn't represent all of their people. There are genocidal assholes on both sides as well as those who want to coexist. I would prefer that Israel didn't exist at all because any religious or ethnically exclusive country is troubling to me, but the Nazis didn't leave us much choice.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

The far right in Israel has a lot to answer for.

That's not how it works. Germany was on the hook for Nazi's. You can't shift the blame when it's the country at fault.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Think long and hard about that position considering what the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

You're a ghoul, jesus christ.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

What? We were attacked by terrorists we created and then invaded another country. Sounds pretty similar to me.

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