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Trump told donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests, deport demonstrators
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Where are my “genocide Joe” boys? You, the ones that have nothing to say but Biden/democrats bad?
You always leave this part out. Troll farm tankies.
BOtHsiDeSsAmE1
The fact that no matter who I vote for it's gonna end up with kids being killed on my dime is the problem. At least Biden will pretend to feel bad about it, which is all I've come to expect from my government.
I've long given up on the notion that I get to vote for someone I like in this system.
I wish that “likability” wasn’t such a huge part of the equation. Doing the right thing and being effective at it should be a bigger factor.
By "likability" I mean that I agree with some or most of the things they consider the right thing. I want to be enthusiastic about them instead of just mainly hoping they don't do too much damage.
Cue someone posting a billion links about Biden in response because that's gonna convince me.
Democracy baby! :/
I think this is the practical assessment of politics for a mature adult however. We want better, but we understand that we won't get our ideal, perfect options. We have to choose for the better, unideal, option, and hope that our choices will allow our progeny to one day have those ideal candidates.
Better? Nah. Less worse.
Excuse me, but I never leave out that Trump is a fascist who's worse than Biden. And I'll vote Biden against Trump. Biden is still a lying piece of shit absorbing and spreading Israeli propaganda about murdered babies and systematic rape on Oct 7. He's still facilitating a genocide. None of Trump's evil words can change that. Biden can change that, but he chooses not to.
Maybe you should understand that there are biggwr pictures?
The sucky part of being a politician is that inevitably you'll have to make decisions that you won't like, that go against your better judgement, that you might be opposed to. There simply may be bigger issues at stake. You may have an ally that you begrudgingly have to support because if you don't you can lose that ally, making the situation so much worse. Worse yet, you might upset a large part of your voters that will in turn not vote for you on the next election.
I dunno for sure but I think that Biden is in the situation where he must be very careful with what he does with Israel. You may not have noticed, but he has been criticizing them, he has been pushing them to stop, but very very carefully.
In a way He's may be in the same situation as us. Just as we begrudgingly have to vote Biden over trump to avoid shit really going to hell, he may have to begrudgingly support Israel to avoid losing many voters that he'll need in the next elections.
Because of this I think it isn't as simple as "Biden is a liar" and "Biden supports genocide". I could be wrong and he very well may be evil, but from what I've seen, from what he's been doing in other parts of his job, I highly doubt that. I really do believe that he's trying to navigate this situation as carefully sd he can.
Shit simply isn't that simple
They're on the same article thread posted an hour after mine.
Oh I know exactly where you can find them! Just visit lemmy.world/c/politicalmemes community, they post there 24/7
I'm right here, this article does nothing to change my mind about how Joe Biden is aiding and abetting an ongoing genocide.
Yes, Trump will almost certainly be worse. That doesn't change the fact that our current president's support for genocide is deplorable, it hurts his electoral chances, and it damages the US standing in the world.
Burying Palestinian families alive under the rubble of their former homes is not a good use of my tax dollars. Joe Biden needs to stop.
Genocide is a US problem not specific to any president.
You can say "Joe Biden is helping/supporting Israel in its genocide on Palestinians". Calling him "genocide joe" is repeating GOP bs. They say it like that to keep the critical thinking to a minimum.
Yes we agree that other modern presidents have been genocidal as well.
Using that fact as an excuse for the current genocide is not some realpolitik, "adults in the room" level of thinking. It is moral depravity and the banality of evil.
Who is using it as excuse for the current genocide? Where does it say "genocide is ok"? "Adult in the room" my ass.
When comparing 2 candidates, genocide doesn't matter because they will both do it, you substract that from both side of the equation in US politics. Once a president is in office then you can protest decision, this is about comparing candidates.
Using the GOP propaganda of "genocide joe" like it's his personal hobby just feeds the trolls. The article is about Trump, and the guy at the top of this thread is asking where the "genocide joe" trumpers are given Trump admits the same. Anyone answering "i'm here", but saying "AKshUaLlY i'm not a trumper but biden is commiting genocide" is just pedantic and missing the point of this discussion
It’s always one of the folks from one of the newer instances/communities I see making these arguments, usually it’s sh.itjust.works or kbin but I saw quite a few from .today this weekend. Seems like the older instances that were either up or started because of the migration from reddit are less filled with trolls and bad faith in my experience
You did, when you said "Genocide is a US problem not specific to any president."
This "lesser of two evils" logic only holds up when deciding who to vote for. The Biden administration does not get to aid a genocide criticism-free just because Trump would be worse.
A president is in office now, aiding a genocide now, so I'm protesting now. If the US is still supporting genocide after the election I will protest then, too.
I saw a shocking amount of upvoted genocide denial in the comments, so I felt the need to respond, even if its unpopular.
Haha you're not protesting, youre whining on the internet. Not one protest in the US besides the students protesting their school, not biden.
I assume the rest of your life based on like ten internet posts you've made. I'm a genius please pat me on the back'
Has any other president been sued for genocide?
One: you can be sued for anything regardless of if it's true or not. Someone could find some sleazebag lawyer and sue you for drowning hundreds of puppies while laughing about it -- does that make you a puppy killer?
Two: We have presidents that we know directly ordered genocides of native people ... yet weren't sued for it.
Until he changes his stance, he’s “genocide Joe.”
So by that definition there's also genocide Trump, and genocide US government, and genocide US soldiers, and genocide US citizens, and genocide judges, and... It becomes irrelevant to call him "genocide joe", it has little to do with him. See we call Dwayne "the rock" Johnson because he's the only wrestler known by that name, it's unique to him. I think you need to lookup what Nicknames are for, aside from GOP propaganda.
I agree. All individuals and institutions you listed could be culpable, but no suits, internationally, nor domestically have been filed. Except for the CCR case against Biden, Blinken, and Austin.
I looked into the origin of the “genocide Joe” meme. The earliest entry is from October 18, 2023. As far as I can tell it was started by pro-Palestine leftists like Aaron Mate, Hasan, and Alan Macleod. It did not originate from conservative media.
Youre a trumper. Let's not pretend lawsuits mean anything at all to you. Nevermind lawsuits that haven't started.
The origin is irrelevant to who is perpetuating it, or why. "Sleepy Joe", "Genocide Joe", "Orange man bad" are all designed to remove any critical thinking or nuance. It was the same for "Crooked Hillary".
Now if you're so good at fetching historical data, let's find which political party has it as a primary strategy to make up silly names and gaslight their opponent with them.. i'll wait.
This prolix exposition does nothing to keep Trump from being reelected. More likely, it serves to depress voter motivation. You need to give people a reason to vote for Biden, not against Trump. Best of luck.
Because that's what youre doing right, getting people to vote for Biden. I see lmao
Yes, pressure on Biden will force him to stop supporting a genocide, which will hopefully help more people support him. He's already taken baby steps. Thanks to this pressure. I was told to vote for him in 2020 because he can be pushed left and I did. Yet, if he can't be pushed to not support a genocide, the biggest crime of all humanity, then it's not really true.
Unironically, yes. Insulting voters and defending a genocide does not win people to your side.
Nobody claimed you could read...
Nice little performance! But your act isn't all that convincing really.
Joe Biden cares more about Palestinians than you do. He's doing things to help while you're projecting faux outrage.
What? What has he done, other than words?
Well, he used words to get the Saudis to allow aid to resume flowing. What have you done besides bitch behind a keyboard?
Well, I’m not president. And I can’t find any info on Biden getting the Saudis to allow aid. Can you point to a policy?
Edit: It was Egypt. That certainly will help. Why you bitching about my bitching? We bitching together. We bitches.
Youre bitching about a genocidal president, and he's bitching about a genocidal, openly corrupt traitor, above the law wanna be dictator who needs to change the law to keep existing as a political figure.
You are not the same.
As long as we’re clear that I’m bitching about the genocide. I’m good. 🙂 Maybe, if more people would bitch about Biden enabling a genocide, instead of defending his actions, we wouldn’t have to bitch about Trump being president.
How does that make sense? Trump will openly do the same. The genocide is not why people are voting for Trump. And people are bitching about Biden, so much the police has to beat people into silence.
Youre pretending to just be asking questions and being angry at Biden, but we see your comment history. It's pretty clear what youre selling
Then you should be buying, so I can get rich, and outspend AIPAC and CUFI to lobby Biden to change course on Palestine, so he can get reelected. It’s almost 🤔 like you want Trump to win.
Yeah I'm not surprised you think that makes sense.
If you truly want Biden to be reelected, be like disguy_ovahea.
He built a pier to get food into Gaza.
Other than words, what have you done?
Is debunking your propaganda not enough?