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submitted 1 year ago by Foresight@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

When I was growing up the internet was a place to be liberated from the world say what you want to say, be whoever you want and form genuine communities with shared interests. Now the internet feels like a tool to enslave the mind with identity echo chambers and any deviation leads you to being banned and blocked shunned and silenced within a void that is inescapable. Novel unique websites coded manually by hobbyists running servers for free in the commons allowing people access to the free flow of information under the banner of "information should be free" has largely gone away with corpratisation. I miss the days when the internet was populated largely by nerds aiming to make a better world not this controlled censored hell hole of profiteering.

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[-] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So you don't want to ban it, but rather change the circumstances in society and individual people's lives so they don't want to get them in the first place? Congratulations! You're pro-choice.

[-] Foresight@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago

The fact you view politics as a zero sum sports game is the problem in pro or anti, us vs them. You're mistaken I'm against the practice I just go about it a different way.

[-] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

You can be against abortion and still be pro-choice. No one is pro-abortion. You want to go about it in a way that changes the circumstances in people's lives so they choose not to have an abortion. So you do think the person's choice matters. And you can see circumstances for why someone would choose to abort. But note how you don't want to take actually away their choice, just change the circumstances so they don't make that choice. That's because...

You're pro-choice.

[-] Foresight@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago

No I'm against the practice and I don't believe in the ideology of liberalism I am not pro-choice choice is an illusion presented from the environment.

[-] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

You don't want to institute a ban, but would rather influence people's choices. That's pro-choice, dumbass. Anyways you cut it, that's pro-choice.

[-] Foresight@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

Influence no, a material solution with a planned economy to serve everyone's needs in society so everyone has necessities and luxuries to afford and have a happy and healthy life. My solution goes beyond your simple petty plaster over a gaping wound.

[-] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Please keep going with that train of thought

What is your intended outcome of them having a happy and healthy life? Is it so they... choose... not to have abortions?

[-] Foresight@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

The intended outcome is to develop the economy, develop the productive forces to provide for everyone in a planned economy. And hopefully bring the death rate down caused by capitalism.

[-] livus@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Serious question: do you want to ban abortion before you have developed your country's economy to "provide for everyone", or after?

N.B: 45% of the abortions in the world are unsafe. It is a leading cause of maternal mortality and millions of women are hospitalized each year due to complications of unsafe abortions.

[-] Foresight@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

I want to provide material abundance so women don't feel the need to have to have them.

[-] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

@foresight what if my partner and I just don't want kids? Even if we're economically secure? Are we not allowed to fuck because it offends your sensibilities? Because, uh, no. Don't like abortion? Don't have an abortion. I'm all for reducing the number by economic and social improvements, but there are cases where a woman does not for whatever reason want to grow another human inside of her body and that's her right.

[-] Foresight@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

That they majority doesn't need one because people in a planned economy wouldn't have to the stress of affording a mortgage as housing would be allocated, wouldn't have to worry about work because jobs would be allocated, wouldn't have to worry about utility bills because resources would be allocated for need with the change of the economic calculation and wouldn't worry about inflation causing food prices to fluctuate. Come on it's not that hard to determine the factors.

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