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[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 49 points 5 months ago

Who will replace the young people that Clinton regards as dunces? In 2016, the pitch was made to suburban Republicans of the Never Trump persuasion. In 2024, this has been recast as the Biden campaign’s attempts to appeal to Nikki Haley Republicans. This strategy only makes sense as a response to Biden’s loss of support among young people and nonwhite voters.

Clintonian triangulation failed in 2016, and it will fail again in 2024. You simply can’t win as a Democratic presidential candidate by giving the back of your hand to large parts of your own coalition. Joe Biden understood that in 2020—but tragically seems to be suffering from memory loss in 2024.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 53 points 5 months ago

That's just a spot on analysis.

There are no Republicans that will vote for Joe Biden.

There are voters who will vote Joe Biden if he moves to go get them.

This isn't complicated.

[-] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 13 points 5 months ago

There were enough Republicans who voted for Biden in '20 to flip Georgia, which is solidly "mainstream" Republican (e.g. Reagan Republicans).

The article's analysis of why Hillary lost is correct, and the diagnosis of the failures of Clintonism is also correct. They fail to point out that Clinton "won" '92 because Perot pulled away enough Bush votes in enough states to swing the Electoral College to Clinton, who only got 40% of the popular vote. That "victory" somehow convinced a bunch of Democrats that conservatism without bigotry (or at least less) was the key to electoral success. Clinton got reelected with the power of incumbency and BobDole being a fairly weak candidate. That cemented the conservatism lite in the Democratic Party for a generation, many of whom are still in the party.

It's changing though. Biden is not a classic conservative Democrat anymore, or at least his team and policies aren't.

One big thing they need to do is acknowledge that the system is rigged against the non wealthy, and that small-d democracy as it exists today in America is not up to the task of helping the non wealthy. Then they need to propose ways to fix our broken democracy, ask young people for suggestions for how to fix it, and write some binding policy proposals to implement those fixes.

Because right now Trump and the Republicans are acknowledging that our democracy is failing non wealthy (straight white Christian) people, and the solution they're offering is to do away with it entirely in favor of Hungarian or Russian style authoritarianism.

The first part of that message will resonate, and the "help us fix democracy" part needs to be the 2nd half. Or Trump probably will get reelected.

[-] NoSuchAgency@lemdro.id -5 points 5 months ago

and the solution they're offering is to do away with it entirely in favor of Hungarian or Russian style authoritarianism.

Where do you get this from?

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

He's just making it up. Republicans going to Biden didn't flip GA. An activated youth and black vote flipped GA.

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