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"As a black man..."
Congratulations on being black.
But there isn't much I can do to convince you to be black or not so it is irrelevant.
Seeing as we are talking about views and information. Then views are are relevant. Also I was directly (and incorrectly) called out for not being a leftie.
I am calling horseshit on you being "a leftie."
I'm sorry it wasn't blunt enough the first time.
'I'd always support [blank], but now they've nonspecifically gone too far! so I'm voting for the complete opposite' is fascist propaganda. What's it doing in your mouth, comrade?
Let me ask you bluntly then.
What makes a person left leaning vs right leaning? I'm talking minimum standard to be a leftie here not current left or current right parties.
I mean historically what views separate the right from the left?
Why would anyone put effort into spoon-feeding you your own claimed philosophy, when the root comment is generic whining that "the left has completely lost their mind?" Your sole bugbear is immigration (a stereotypical right-wing fixation) and all you've done is mumble about "more," until it's "enough."
You don't even know what valid criticism looks like.
Oh, sorry, you do eventually blame immigrants for housing and wages. Because scapegoating brown people is totes mcgoats the leftist approach to problems with capital.
Left has historically been trade and labour restrictive. This is why the left has lost their mind they are just making up things. The right historically pushes for free trade and free labour and low government involvement.
That's why you can't answer what separates the left from the right because you know it has nothing to do with immigration. You know full well I'm perfectly capable of having serious left leaning views and that I can also be against immigration so your whole argument breaks down.
What's wrong with capital. It's a much needed resource, both the left and the right agree on this. Unless you are a complete off the wall extremist.
Yeah, you have no idea how obvious you are. Good day.
You're all so close minded.
You think I'm something I'm not. Economically left and low immigration has historically gone hand in hand. I'm like that. So I have to make a choice.
I'll take long term gains of low immigration over short term gains from economics.
You should really look into what the left is about. Its more than just the current parties and current mental vocal lefties.
Dismissing cartoonish bullshit like 'the left restricts labor while the right just loves FREEDOM!' is not closed-mindedness.
My fat ass.
Every single post you've made here is bog-standard right-wing rhetoric. Fuck off with it. Your perspective consistently and loudly sounds like any conservative prick making up what they think the left criticizing the left would sound like, because they don't fucking listen. A mouthful of the most generic attacks on how they're "mental!" "gone mad!" "lost their minds!" with zero specifics and no fucking philosophy. Christ alive, do you know how hard it is to stop actual left-wing bitching from devolving into a sermon on theory?
Why is there an American on here so vocal about British politics? I guess in the American way you know more about foreign countries than the locals?
Of course they do that's their point. They want freedom from government restriction.
Here is a thought. Left wing votes are decreasing and right wing votes are increasing. How is this possible? Have left wing people been magically replaced, or have people that voted left moved to voting for the right?
If you make the completely logical conclusion than some left wing voter must now be voting for the right. Then why is it so hard for you to accept I'm one of them?
Just take a step back for a moment and actually consider the possibility I have switched from a left wing voter to a right wing voter. Now holding that position what would make me switch votes? Maybe just do that as a little thought experiment.
I have voted green and I have voted plaid. Both of which are left. I think green policies are largely going to be solved economically, at least the short term with things happening now. See Tony Seba, see my post history. So voting green doesn't do much. Plaid won't win majority so voting for them won't achieve anything. The biggest issue for the common working man (left views) is lowering immigration. The best thing for business and land owners is raising immigration. Immigration right now should be a left wing policy. If you want the lower classes to be better off at the expense of the rich and business then vote against immigration.
Do I think reform will win? No. But did UKIP win? No. Did UKIP achieve their goals? Yes, so hopefully they do again.
Me voting Green and Plaid didn't cause them to achieve their goals but people voting for UKIP did. I hope the sane happens again with Reform.
Also I did vote remain.
The bare fucking basics of leftism should be far more well-known to you lot than to us - yet here you are still pretending conservatives anywhere give a flying fuck about their stated ideals. Have you literally never seen an actual socialist discuss politics? On Lemmy?
Populism equals leftism, apparently. That's never gone wrong in Europe.
That's why right-wing parties want open borders, yeah? Oh no wait they're demonizing minorities because fuck you why am I humoring this. You're dumb enough to believe the promises of diet Nazis and wish them well.
Lol socialists. They are delusional. Can't see basic facts in front of their faces. I should have paid attention to the sub's you go in. You're completely brainwashed. It was apparent when you didn't actually try or want to learn anything from me. You made your mind up and you stuck with it no matter what I said. That is not a healthy mindset, you should work on that. Try see what people are trying to tell, you look at other sides.
Even know you can't even try and think about how anyone would ever change their mind on anything. That's not good.
Yes I have argued with loads. I actually have a degree in economics but none of them want to understand basic economic theory. Like you, they have an opinion and nothing else matters. Not other peoples views, not other countries, not other situations not fact. Nothing all that matters is their brainwashed position is repeated.
For the record, but I know you will live in denial. I believe in high taxes, high government spending, LVT, free education and healthcare, subsidised public transport, subsidised training, externalities in general, house building programmes, in the future UBI, money for families and teens. But all of that is insignificant the mismanagement of immigration the UK currently has, so I'm going to vote for stopping immigration. The other policies can wait.
But lol socialism. I'll die to stop that. What a terrible idea that is.
'I am too a leftie lefting leftist! LOL any actual leftism.'
You are not self-aware.
I genuinely laughed out loud. You're a fucking cartoon. You have no goddamn idea what you look like from outside your own head.
May we never speak again.
Haha.
Go back to your cave and your ignorance. I'm sure you can find people that will congratulate you on your ignorance and it being the ultimate goal.