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Last time I checked Jesus Christ was not a real person
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The guy we refer to as Jesus was likely a real person. Probably named something like Yeshua (same root as the name Joshua), who probably was baptized by John the Baptist and probably was crucified. Everything else ranges from contested to myth.
There is zero evidence Jesus, in any name variation, was real.
That is not necessarily true, there are scarce but nonbiblical references to Jesus. Such as the execution of James described in Antiquities references him as “the Brother of Jesus, the one they call Messiah”.
I’m hardcore atheist myself, but you are damn right Jesus The Christ is a fabrication like Santa Claus. I’m just saying there is nuance.
Also interesting note is Rome loved crucifiying people for Sedition.
Turns out walking around saying you’re the King of The Jews isn’t cool with the Roman nobility, and guess what he wasn’t the first it to do it either. They crucified someone around 4BCE for the exact same thing
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The last I knew, the best evidence against Jesus the Christ being real was the distinct lack of recording by any contemporary Roman writings. But I may be remembering wrong.
Some hystorians and theologians would agree with you, but they're in the minority of academics.
Yes, historians that are not connected to the church.
Well, if you have good evidence to disprove the majority of academics and blow the lid off a major conspiracy I would love to read your papers.
Because proving a negative is how things work now? What.
How about you prove he did exist, and not using "evidence" from a church affiliated "historian".
How about you disprove the evidence we have instead of pulling shit out of your ass? Start with why you think Josephus accounts aren't trustworthy.
You can't disprove a negative. You can keep "demanding" me to all you want, but it's not how things work.
What's the evidence you have?
All of the notes for Josephus on wikipedia are from people that were either associated with the church or wrote non-fiction books about religious leaders.
Take that as you will. I understand Faith is a strong thing, but evidence and science is how the world actually works.
You're rejecting evidence you haven't even read about, so yes. You get the burden of proof for now. You're making an assumption that every academic who says "there's enough evidence to suggest this person existed just not exactly how it's laid out in the bible" is some religious zealot. Show us proof.
What's the evidence?
I'm not going to link to a bunch of different papers for you since you can't be bothered to Google before you comment so here's a Wikipedia article. If you're here in good faith you'll know how to follow the sources and find the evidence, if not you'll reply with some more idiotic denialism.
There is evidence a "prophet named Jesus" existed. Of course "Jesus" was an extremely popular name. And there were tens of thousands of "Prophets" running around claiming they were the true one.
It's simple survivorship bias. There is ZERO evidence the biblical Jesus existed...
That's literally what the wiki article I linked to says.
That's fair. I don't mind looking into the article.
The first, and subsequently multiple, source in the article claiming that Jesus was real is from William R. Herzog. He was a Presbyterian minister.
Mark Allen Powel is also sourced. An ordained minister of the American Lutheran Church.
I'll look into more of it later, I've got things to do. But so far it's all church members affirming the belief.
I found one source linking to Herzog and Powel and it's the same claim that "the only historical fact we can confirm about Jesus in the Bible is that he was baptized and crucified."
Exactly. Not really trustworthy if you want actual evidence.
There are plenty of sources why do you insist on latching on to this specific sentence? The article is quite long.
I just told you I have other things to do right now than research every link in the article. You're more than welcome to list anything you want to here. I'll look into it. I was simply responding to your comment.
I'm happy to debate it. But only if you're not being confrontational. It's not like either of us is going to "crack the code" or anything.
This is a good lecture you might be interested in.
https://www.youtube.com/live/vPXA1NzAIpw?si=W8Wx-njZpl6c2y32