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Obligatory reminder that the Tiananmen protests were against capitalist reforms that were crucial in shaping todays China and were very much welcomed by the Western countries.
It is adding insult to the injury, that the western narrative keeps eluding this aspect to make it seem like the protestors died for the opposite of what they actually protested for.
Why not let the students words speak for themselves? Wikipedia
Students list seven demands of the government.
1. Affirm Hu Yaobang’s views on democracy and freedom as correct.
2. Admit that the campaigns against spiritual pollution and bourgeois liberalization had been wrong.
3. Publish information on the income of state leaders and their family members.
4. Allow privately run newspapers and stop press censorship.
5. Increase funding for education and raise intellectuals’ pay.
6. End restrictions on demonstrations in Beijing.
7. Provide objective coverage of students in official media.
You are just doing what i criticised. You are cherry-picking instead of acknowledging the protests as a whole.
Freedom of expression was one of many goals. And the protests were caused by the capitalist reforms, which gave rise to people demanding freedom of expression to be able to express their anger over the consequences of those capitalist reforms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre
China was already state capitalist by then and people protested that.
I guess you missed the main section at the top:
I figured they died because they protested in a Communist dictatorship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre
China was already state capitalist by then and people protested that.
I just pulled this out from WP:
wp:Red August
(my bold)
This was back in Mao's time.
It seems that Communism killed those Chinese people.
What kind of abstruse logic is this? Next thing you are going to say the people murdered in Gaza today are the victims of Christian crusaders.
The victims under Mao were victims of communism. But it wasn't Mao that committed the Tiananmen massacre. It was a state capitalist regime that was supported by the West.
Why are you trying to spread disinformation about historical events?
Presumably,
Mao self-identified as a Communist (or something like it) and is today defended by such.
Deng self-identified as a Communist (or something like it) and is today defended by such (at least by many Chinese).
Palestinians, Gazans, and Jews were victims of the Crusaders.
And the Nazis called themselves national socialists. Doesn't mean their economic policies had anything to do with socialism (quite to the contrary).
Advertisment labels are not what to judge these things on, but concrete policies. And those were state capitalist in China and the reason for the protests and massacre. And they continue to this day.
good point.
though I think they were a little bit more socialist in the earlier years.
I don't like any of them.
might as well throw this in:
wp:Albanian–Chinese split
The might have been the reasons, or some of the significant reasons, for the protest but I don't think Mao would have tolerated them more than did Deng.
They died because they protested in a state capitalist dictatorship?
Yes. But people dont want to acknowledge that because then they would need to acknowledge, that mass murder and massacres are nothing specific to any form of economy, but specific to authoritarianism and then they might have to face their own support of current authoritariansm.
about 3/4ths of that I can support which is pretty good.