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Electric Cars Are Suddenly Becoming Affordable
(www.nytimes.com)
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You know in 2021 I thought that the MSM was deliberately ignoring the issues with EVs and promoting overly rosy timelines as part of a political agenda.
After seeing the massive amount of FUD they published about EVs over the past year, I think they are just bad at their jobs.
It feels like the media covers EVs based on vibes versus doing actual research. As a result they've consistently publish articles that are either borderline nonsense hopium or complete doomerism.
IMO I still think hybrids will be instrumental tech over the next decade. Those 300 mile EVs often get much worse range in weather conditions that are common in many parts of the country. It's also simply going to take considerable time for fast charging infrastructure to become ubiquitous enough to truly address range anxiety.
They write articles for people worried about 300 miles ranges who drive 40 miles a day the vast, vast majority of days.
Is it any wonder the coverage is awful?
How frequently would someone need to make a 200+ round trip in lousy weather that cuts into the range for them to have a valid reason? Once a month? Every two weeks?
What about people that go to temote areas that don't even have gas stations? How often do they need to go?
I have a car that I mostly use for just trips around town. But once or sometimes twice a year, I go on a thousand-kilometer-or-so trip to visit some relatives. Assuming for whatever reason that this wouldn't work with an EV, you can say "well that's one trip a year you won't be able to go on."
But that trip is important to me. It'd be a huge negative not being able to do that, or a really big expense to rent a car capable of the trip. I wouldn't switch exclusively to an EV if it wasn't able to make that trip, because I have a car that can do it right now.
It's a real concern.
More realistically, you should be instead told "well, that's one trip you'll be making in a rental ICE car instead".
You'd still come out on top overall, I'm pretty sure.
Well I'm not sure and I'm the one with the wallet, so I'm staying with my existing car.
Besides, another thing that helps the environment is not buying new cars when one doesn't need to.
In terms of CO2 emissions, getting as many ICE vehicles of the road as possible is best. Depending on your electrical power source, an EV can beat out an ICE within 30k km. On the shittier end, if your power comes from coal, it is closer to 125k km.
You could even argue for the rental when there’s not an EV in the mix. Maybe I have an older car where reliability is questionable. I’m more willing to risk a breakdown at home where I have options and resources, than at a distant destination or where it affects travel plans. Maybe I have an econobox for cheap local transport, but comfort is more important when looking at a long drive. Maybe I have good reason to drive a Pickup locally, but that would not be good for a trip.
Doubt it. Renting a car is a fucking rip off.
The only time that trip is going to be an issue is if you are going 250-300miles away from an interstate. Even then, a few pigtails and you can charge at any campground or RV park nationwide. Charging is a lot less of an issue than the media wants you to believe. I’ve been traveling around the country in an ev without problems for 30k miles. Pull up a map of just Tesla Superchargers and you’ll see a huge amount of roadtrip coverage… and that isn’t bringing in all of the other manufacturers charging networks or the rv/campground charging possibilities.
I spend 100% of the trip more than 300 miles away from an interstate. I'm Canadian.
Charging duration is also an issue. The annual trip generally takes me 12-13 hours. So if you add significant charging time that pushes it long enough that I wouldn't feel comfortable doing the whole trip in one day any more.
Charging duration at fast chargers is not that much of an issue for the most part. You'll be able to drive for for hours and you will likely want to stop for a bit anyway.
The lack of chargers where you would be is definitely an issue though. Renting an ICE would make sense then and you would almost certainly save money overall with that combo. In my area, an EV would save $1000-2000 USD for fuel costs each year (small hybrid on the low range and a crossover on the higher end). Given gas prices in Canada, I would have to imagine the savings are even higher for you.
One argument is that for once a year it’s actually cheaper to rent than to overbuy.
Maybe, but the percentage of people who actually need that is vanishingly small. There will be outliers, it will take years for full adoption, and the technology is changing rapidly, but I’m still reading your description as: over 99% of people could be served by an EV
for a once a year trip I would just rent. Same reason why you don't need to buy a truck because just in case you need to move, you jsut rent a U-haul for that occasion.
I get what you're saying but yeah it is surprising. It would be one thing if their coverage was bad as in the sense the author doesn't do legwork or add anything of value when compared to some YouTuber. However their coverage feels like it's written by someone who doesn't particularly like cars and doesn't really follow this stuff outside of when their editor assigns it to them.
People waaaay overestimate how much they drive. The average person drives about 30 miles per day. 99.5% of trips are under 100 miles. Cold weather can drop the range by about 25%. That is still perfectly fine for 99.5% of trips. You know what country also has pretty cold weather? Norway. They also happen to be the country with the highest percentage of EVs sold.
Fast charging is only needed for the extremely rare occasion that you are traveling over 250 miles. Heck, even a level 1 charger is fine for the majority of people most of the time. And the fast charge network is built out pretty decently already so that you are almost certainly within range of one.
There are absolutely some issues with EVs though. It certainly is not all sunshine and rainbows. While a level 1 charger is perfectly fine for most people, many do not even have that. Most apartment buildings do not have outlets you can use in your parking spot. That is a pretty large chunk of the population that would have to rely on fast chargers. That is a lot pricier.
And while you may be within range of a fast charger, you might not be by one that works. A good third of Electrify America's don't work. Some that do, do not give you the full speed.
Charging speed still does suck for road trips. Sure, an Ioniq can charge to 80% within 20 minutes but that is with a station that can push 350 kW which are pretty damn rare.
Companies also seem to want to make EVs futuristic looking with zero knobs and also lock you into their ecosystem to harvest your data. They claim it is to help you more accurately calculate range and to be able to find a charger. That's horseshit. Just because something is battery powered does not mean it needs that shit. It would be one thing if they had competent software engineers but they largely don't.
I’ve had a used ev for 4 years and have about 110k miles on the battery. I drove for years in Houston, with 110 degree summers and recently drove a season in Winter Park in the -10 to 0 degree weather for the season and didn’t have any issues with range or charging. You do notice minor differences, but nothing is a surprise and nothing is unmanageable. There is a lot more FUD out there than is warranted from actual performance.
Our infrastructure also needs upgrades to support electric vehicles. For example, you literally can't get one unless you have a garage or driveway, which many people- especially those who don't have the luxury of buying a house, don't have. If your only option is dealing with street parking good luck.
I have a friend in exactly this situation. He just goes to a nearby supercharger every week. It’s not that unreasonable
Not really a requirement to charge at home, many cities have fast chargers at grocery stores so you can charge while you shop. This still needs to be expanded yes, but there are alternatives to home charging. It’s still the best and most convenient option if you have the option though.
I have chargers at work. If I wanted do fight my way through the line, I could completely charge for free while working. Hopefully more companies offer that
While I buy the logic of a hybrid, I think they should have been instrumental tech over the last decade. Where were all these legacy manufacturers when Toyota had proven technology with high sales? Legacy manufacturers were regressive then, and are regressive now that EVs are ready to take over
I blame a lot of that on stock manipulation hype.
There are a huge number of aspired investigative journalists who weren't good enough, and ended up writing niche interest pieces for hobbyist publications they don't actually care much about. This was the reason there was such a commotion over game's journalism around 2015, but the same problems exist elsewhere too.
I agree, but with a small caveat. I think that a lot of 2010s bloggers were wannabe authors who only got into journalism because it was a lot easier to break into blogging versus literature in that era.
I'm extremely bullish on Edison Motors diesel-electric hybrid truck conversions
So am I. But that is a niche application. Even they half admit it's not suitable for 'common use' And it remains to be seen if they can pull it off.
I'm far more a fan of their right to repair and using common everyday off the shelf parts to make those repairs easier and cheaper.