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One in three Republicans now think Donald Trump was wrong candidate choice
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3 out of 3 will probably vote for trump in the general election.
Yup, exactly. That's the question that actually matters. Tons of Republicans were very vocally against Trump in 2016 too, but fell in line as soon as he was named their official candidate. The Republican Party is great at unifying around candidates and messaging when it counts (probably one of their only legitimate strengths.)
Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line.
The problem with Democrats is that because it's a big tent, it's harder to coalesce around one or two issues. Some Democrats really care about the environment and won't come out to vote unless the candidate says they'll do right by it. Other Democrats care about prison reform and won't vote for a candidate that has a history of supporting laws that put more people into prison.
When the Republican platform is "At least we're not liberals", it's much easier to get your people out to vote.
The whole Democrat approach has been "we aren't donald trump" for the last 8 years. The GOP base stopped caring about "electability" after 2012 and just started replacing their lukewarm candidates with rabid evengalists who say and push for what the hardliners want. No one at the RNC pre-Trump takeover of it actually liked people like MTG, Bobert, Matt Gaetz, or even Trump. But those people are massively popular with their voters, so leadership has to accept them.
Meanwhile the Democratic party is so opposed to listening to what their base actually wants and are constantly trying to chase conservative voters like Charlie Brown trying to kick a football. Progressives face opposition at every step from the party structure, while people who support those progressives get belittled, ridiculed, and told not to participate. And when by some chance a progressive candidate actually gets elected and starts to get media attention, the Democrats cave to the conservatives criticizing those progressives rather than protecting their own. The only ones who cared about MTG going on about Jewish space lasers were Democrats. Meanwhile when Ihlan Omar made comments about Israeli crimes against Palestinians and Israeli attempts to whitewash those crimes, the Democrats were the ones drafting legislation to censure her in all but name.
What the GOP cares about is power and doing whatever it takes to hold that power. But the Democrats only care about maintaining the status quo at all costs. One has am actual vision, while the other is treading water and wondering why they are going nowhere.
Green energy, student debt relief, likely marijuana reform after rescheduling, infrastructure building, drug price controls, Union empowerment, etc etc but you say they're ~~not listening~~ opposed to listening to their base. It's unreal.
See above. That's BS.
Funny, because i live in a state that decriminalized marijuana and i just lost my job for testing positive for marijuana on a drug test. Meanwhile the Democratic senator is running ads about his bills that Trump signed. Nothing about any of those things you just listed off. He mad appearances at the UAW strikes last year, but there hasn't been any actual legislation or policy change to support unions, just photo ops and tweets.
Decriminalization is not legalization. That you don't even know this...
Then you have to limit actions to a specific dem senator, about not running ads about the things I listed. Holy mental gymnastics.
And then the final: But but but it's not being done fast enough!1!
It's unreal.
Not only is decriminalization not legalization, even if something is legal your employer can prohibit it as a condition of employment.
I can guarantee you, even if marijuana is completely legal tomorrow and available in every 7-11 I'll be fired for testing positive, and for good reason. At least the reasons are good for me, for a lot of other jobs drug testing is bullshit.
Yup, just like you can't show up drunk, you can't show up high. Anything requiring uhh sober operation will be an issue. The long time frame of marijuana staying in your body is an issue, I think the airlines said you can't use it 28 days before your shift (lol effective ban).
Maybe at some point in the future someone will come up with a test that determines if you're high right now instead of our current test that only determines if you've used it in the past couple weeks. But until then prohibition for any safety related job is the only option.
That sounds to me like you violated the terms of your employment agreed upon by you and your employer when you entered into an employment contract with them. The federal government has little-to-no control over stuff like drug testing at non-governmental jobs.
Alcohol is legal, but if you test positive for alcohol in a piss test or breathalyzer there’s a good chance, depending on your employer, that you won’t be working for them.
You ought to be cognizant of your own habits with regard to your employer’s drug testing policy. Marijuana can show up in a piss test for weeks if you’re a heavy or frequent user. If you know you regularly or randomly get tested, don’t partake or find a different job.
That’s not the Democratic party’s fault, that’s between you and your employer. Stupid? Sure. Unfair? Absolutely. A useless policy that pushes people out of jobs for no good reason? You betcha. Doesn’t change the contract you entered into when you took the job.
Oh yeah here we go - Tankie Trolls Assemble!
I don't know if you've seen the news in the last few years but there's been a fair bit of positive legislative and policy changes due to the Democrats having at least some power for now. I'm not going to list them here because I don't think you care.
Yeah they didn't give us free energy and cops still shoot people without consequence so it must be the Democrats fault for sucking.
Those of us who were old enough to read the news when Trump was first illegitimately put in power were also super pissed off at the weak response from the Democrats. Their whole "statement of very concerned" bullshit for four years was excruciating. There was room for improvement. Absolutely. And I think we've seen improvement.
But shitting on them right now is not. helping. You wanna help sink the boat, GTFO. There you go - open water and batshit nazi sharks. Enjoy.
I've stopped believing it's the Democrat's fault for sucking and started believing that it's America's fault for sucking.
Technically correct.
It's the best kind.
I'm not trying to sink the boat. The boat is sinking and the Democrats are trying to remodel the dinning hall instead of patch the holes in the hull.
Every thread about Biden's support of Israel is bombarded by liberals saying "Trump will be worse!" and "we need Biden to stop Trump!" Which is not an actual policy.
Yeahhh there we go. “BiDen GeNoSiDe”. Classic. That’s the stuff.
Hey good luck throwing the world into chaos. We’re all counting on you.
The world is already in chaos. You can cover your eyes all you want, but things aren't going to return to how they were.
Cover our eyes? Hardly. How do you think anything gets addressed? Performative outrage on the interwebs? HA!
Stopped right there because it's obvious that this whole post won't be rooted in reality. Biden has almost gone out of his way to avoid mentioning trump. Not that he hasn't at all, but he has focused primarily on his accomplishments.
Absolutley correct. Let's watch those downvotes pour in from the tankie brigade.
Idiots to the left of me Fascists to the right Here I am stuck in the middle with you
Democrats have been funding the most extremist and crazy of their opponents in political races for years now because it's a lot easier to run on the policy of "At least I'm not that guy" than it is to actually convince people to vote for you based on your policies and agenda. Hell, some lady wrote a book about how she did it to win a seat, only to lose to that same guy in the very next election.
It's one of the oldest and most effective campaign strategies there is, but it keeps biting Democrats in the ass and they keep trying it anyways. Democrats seem to think that moderate Republicans will vote for them over the extremist candidate, but Republicans don't care about who the candidate is so long as they're a Republican.
Cool! I'm not voting Biden because of his support for the genocide of Palestinians.
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Good for you and you're vanity vote. Really working to make a difference.
Vanity has nothing to do with it. I'm not voting for him because I don't like what he's doing, simple as that.
It doesn't do anything, making it pointless. It just makes you feel like you're doing something, without actually doing anything.
It's absolutely 100% vanity.
An individual vote doesn't really affect the outcome regardless of who you vote for. From that perspective, sure, all votes are just about vanity, I suppose.
But personally, I think it's worth the time to go out and try to promote politicians I support. To each their own, I guess.
That's not the perspective I'm coming from.
That's the thing: voting third party doesn't really do anything to promote a candidate.
If you want to change the system to promote candidates you want, go out and actually do something so you can vote for who you truly want in a presidential election. That's how you actually promote politicians you want to support. Voting third party is just, as I said, pure vanity.
Really? Why not? You've said this several times now with zero explanation.
If a party reaches 5% of the vote, they're eligible for federal campaign funding. I believe 15% is the threshold for TV debates. Bringing them closer to that goal really seems like it's promoting them. Parties tend to get more attention as they get more votes.
Either way, I have no interest in promoting a candidate I'm opposed to. If voting for someone I support doesn't do anything, I'd just stay home.
That's actually the core belief of conservatism, but this bunch has its target at a 1945 status quo for everything they like (pipes, big cars, father knows best) and nothing they don't (high tax for rich assholes).
Hint: its root is 'conserve'.
Loyalty is their core attribute, like hand-wringing and second-guessing is for Democrats.
There was just another poll that said only 10% of Republican voters WONT vote for trump.
So that means 23% of Republican voters dont want trump but still will vote for him.
That also means 2/3 want him flat out.
As someone who's a registered Democrat who doesn't want to vote for Biden but will still vote for him, I feel their pain.
Nobody changes how they vote, but turnout might be more depressed among Republicans, in which case maybe only 1 in 3 will for for trump
I wish. It's a cult. They do cult-like things that don't make sense unless you drink the kool-aid.
I mean parts of it are for sure. But its not a monolith.
But would it even make a difference? The Republicans haven't won the vote in about 2 decades, and in 2016, the Supreme Court said that the Electoral College doesn't have to vote the way that the voters that they represent voted when multiple representatives said that they were going to cast their votes for Trump despite Hillary winning the state.
Yep, even if he ends up in prison by some miracle.