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I'm no anthropologist or anything, but I'm pretty sure the annexation of the West Bank would guarantee a permanent guerilla terrorist force operating within Israel's borders for the foreseeable future. Israel would never know peace. In 200 years they'll probably still trying to snuff out terrorist cells constantly killing civilians.
Just with this war they have created thousands of fresh new volunteers for Hamas both within and outside the general area of the conflict.
The way out of this is more empathy for the Palestinians, not less.
Not if you push out the people living there, which has been how Israel has historically done it.
That's exactly how you guarantee a permanent guerilla terrorist force.
it's important, critical, to remember that Israel didn't blunder into this conflict; they were warned by internal and external intelligence that Hamas was going to attack, that it was going to be big.
Any rational actor would have readied their defenses, Bibi didn't care. This is because Bibi needed the conflict to stay in office. And now Bibi's jerking around POTUS.
Bibi's been growing Hamas for decades. It serves his needs.
You're basically describing the situation we've been in since the Nahkba in 1948.
To be completely fair there is no way out of this.
Both sides will accept nothing but the COMPLETE destruction of the other side.
No? Israel is and has always been the deciding factor in whatever happens with Palestine. They refused a legitimate 2 state solution, continuously have stolen land from the west bank and Gaza, and are openly genocidal towards Palestinians?
How can you both sides this in a comment thread under an article about a zionist literally trying to pay off an American politician to support the Israeli government in committing crimes against humanity?
Hamas will militantly decline any peace offer that doesn't include their holy sites.
It's a no win situation. This war will continue long after everyone here is dead.
Bullshit, if you think Hamas would have kept the peace on any level. Or the terrorists that pre-dated Hamas...
"Would have"
Cool, but I don't care about this weird hypothetical world you're talking about that we do not live in and have never lived in. The Israeli military is armed by the United States with american weapons. The IDF, with American guns and missiles and planes and tanks, is in no way threatened by what a group of disenfranchised Muslim extremists can cobble together. It's never even been close, not in 1949 and not for one second since then. They are essentially prisoners of the state. They are disenfranchised. They do not have access to land to till and raise animals in. They do not have freedom of movement. The water they have is controlled by Israel, the electricity they have is controlled by Israel, the medical supplies they have are controlled by Israel. The strip is an open air enclave. The west bank is and has been slowly being annexed by Israel (crime against humanity) over the last 60 years.
You're talking about a population of 2 million people with 1 struggling to operate hospital. Who have been mass murdered thousands of times over the last 100 years by the IDF and Israeli state. This road does not go both ways and it never has. They literally mowed starving Palestinian men women children and elderly down with machine guns. People following a truck carrying flour because they are desperate for food. There are children starving to death in hospitals. We have people who need medications to survive dying because the IDF and the Israeli state and the zionists are doing everything they possibly can to prevent them for getting those things.
It's time for you to open your fucking eyes. You're trying to both sides a genocide, equating the genociders with the victims.
You referred to "Arabs in the area" in another comment of yours too, equating hamas with all Muslim people in the middle east. Ask yourself why you're generalizing a population of hundreds of millions of people and claiming they are all genocidally antisemitic.
Removed, genocide denial.
Mhm. Goodbye zionist.
I'm guessing that's because no adequate partition of a continuous extension of territory with an equitable distribution of viable habitable construction space and access to resources and the Mediterranean has not been made yet since the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
I can assure you even the most militant, radicalized Hamas members would leap at such proposal with smiles on their faces. Even if it benefited slighly Israel more, they'd still do it, no problem.
Do you truly believe any proposals so far have been in any way, shape or form even approximately fair in the same measure for both parties ?
Of course not, Israel wants the rest of their ancient land. And the Arabs in the area want them gone completely.
Anyone that claims differently is being disingenuous, or out right lying.
Yeah maybe it started out that way for sure, but after so much death people on both sides are starting to consider other options. You can see that in Israel right now, people who are rejecting this narrative of either us or them. Maybe the crazies will always think this way, but over time people will be willing to make concessions. After all what good is it to rule a pile of rubble constantly under attack ?
A half promised land at peace is better than an entire promised land constantly in war economy. It's not only quality of life we're talking about. The entirety of the Jewish people is being blemished and shamed by the current actions of Israel.
I hope your right, but the pessimist in me is seeing more crazies in control not less. (Same here in US, shit is scary)