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[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

Right, let's start with old oil. How much do you think is generated world wide? It's about 1/20th of the amount of oil we use currently and that created not recycled so that number is far lower so really that's a niche. Likewise wood pellets. Unless you're actively chopping trees down to make into pellets you're not going to have any real volume there. Plus as I said previously, all of that takes energy to be made into usable fuel. Where does that energy come from and also why not just use that energy directly?

5% of our current oil demand is still a big improvement. That's probably enough to move a significant portion or even all of aviation to sustainable fuels. Aviation is one of the places where batteries don't work yet, and probably not anytime soon either.

As for the last paragraph, no, sorry you're just misunderstanding that whole arena. Batteries are more than 90% recyclable and that number is going up as we design them to be easier to recycle. Plus that's most likely 20 years from now on average. As for solar panels they're aluminium (easily recycled) glass (easily recycled) metals (easily recycled) and silicon (mostly recyclable) and again they're being designed to be recycled better than they were. Ontop of that they now last up to 40 years with greater than 90% of their original capacity left so basically they'll outlive most of us on here.

Can you give me some evidence?

We've grown plants sustainable for thousands of years except for in the last 150 where we have systematically wrecked the ecology at the same time as massively increasing our population. The average westerner uses 32 times more resources than the average Kenyan. Do you want to have the same lifestyle as they have? Because they want what westerners have so that means we can't keep going as we are and have to change.

So you're saying sustainable agriculture is impossible? If so then climate change is inevitable and there is nothing we can do.

[-] Oddbin@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

Aviation is likely to be serviced by batteries or hydrogen for short to medium flights. Long haul and cargo is likely to remain fossil fuel based for quite a while due to the nature of the fuel caution uses. If you had said shipping you might have had a point, they can burn near enough anything but they seem to be trending towards something like ammonia.

What do you want me to say other than Google it for recycling? It's widely known and has been for quite a while now. Unless you're actively looking for the opposite you should have no trouble finding independent information rather than trusting some random on social medium. But here's a few to set you off:

https://www.allenergysolar.com/resources/solar-waste-myth-debunked/#:~:text=The%20truth%20is%2C%20solar%20panels%20are%20already%20highly,developing%20around%20the%20recovery%20of%20materials%20for%20reuse.

https://solarfast.co.uk/blog/solar-energy-myths-debunked/

This one is from the energy saving trust, a non-profit government organisation and had a good round up of typical myths:

https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/myths-about-solar/

And here's an excellent talk by a Dr who's a specialist in the battery and energy storage arena:

https://youtu.be/tcJrUrp_Ygs

Incidentally if you actually want to learn more about this then Everything Electric is a good start.

Sustainable agriculture for food is one thing, to make fuel is something completely different and I think you know that but are being obstuse on purpose.

Look, I get it. You don't like what you're seeing, that doesn't mean it's wrong and it's OK to change and adapt when presented with new information. The future is a mixture of technology that we have, are developing and haven't even thought of. Biofuels may even have a small niche but that's all it will be, a niche. Fully electric will be the dominant source of transport in the near future and batteries are going to make up the majority of that.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

Sustainable agriculture for food is one thing, to make fuel is something completely different and I think you know that but are being obstuse on purpose.

No I am not being obtuse. You talk about agriculture as if it's impossible to make sustainable. How much extra agriculture would it require compared to what's needed to feed the world? It's not something I have looked at, and I would be interested to see if you have statistics on this.

[-] Oddbin@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

What foods do we eat Vs make into fuel? Hint, they're not the same. Sorry, there's plenty of info on all of this out there you just need to actually look with an open mind. I've given you the resources to start but I don't have the time nor inclination to continually fight these fights with people who make clearly outlandish claims and then just come back with "well prove it".

I hope you do follow the links and go and learn more but ultimately that's up to you.

Enjoy your day.

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