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Biden administration sets 50 miles per gallon fuel economy standard for 2031
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This isn't aimed at just American manufacturers (Tesla, GM, Ford) but all vehicles sold in the US. People always seem to resort to "American protectionism" and other falsehoods when discussing stuff like this or the proposed ban on Chinese EVs, but either miss or purposely ignore the rest of the market in the US. Nearly every company that sells here has at least one EV and many others have excellent fleet MPG like Toyota with all their hybrid options.
Sure, but with almost no exceptions, the popular cars with the worst mileage are American ones.
Most other rich countries have much more ambitious plans that include phasing out fossil fuel only cars COMPLETELY, and are able to do so because their politicians don't have to kowtow to the intertwined interests of their owner donors from Big Oil and Detroit.
Because it's NOT a falsehood. See above.
People just don't like them 🤷♂️
Most of the folks who want an EV and who can live with an EV already have one. It's not the politicians preventing people from buying.
None of that is true.
No, they're just enabling the people who are making it less viable in exchange for bribes.
Until range and recharge time can complete with ICE vehicles, EVs will continue to be viable basically in the cities only. The USA is massive.
Define competitive https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-06-07/long-range-evs-now-cost-less-than-the-average-us-new-car
300 mile range is now long range? Lol the fuck are you smoking.
You didn't read the article or even the sub title. 300 miles is the minimum thresold in terms of specification of cars that they are using for comparison in terms of economics. Almost all of the compared vehicles are in the mid 300 mile range. Average ICE is about 400 mile range.
There are also more expensive consumer EVs that are in the high 400/500 mile range but that's not the focus of the article.
ICE vehicles do not have a hard limit on their range. They can refuel in a few minutes. Even with supercharger stations available your not getting that range. Companies also advertise mileage per charge in the best conditions and driving style. Most EVs do not make the ranges claimed.
And yes I did read it, 350 miles was the average range, this still is nothing if it cannot be recharged in a few minutes.
EVs have their place, but they're still a ways off from replacing ICE vehicles.
Takes 10-20m to charge to 80% on most EVs today at a L3 station. Just trying to make sure you're informed.
Do you think advertising standards are different for EVs compared to ICE vehicles?
How many lvl3 stations are out there outside the cities? Hell how many L3 stations are in the city? And 80% charge now isn't getting you full range. I know exactly how EVs work and operate, they're still not ready to replace ICE vehicles in anything other than city drivers. They're getting better and better but it's just not there yet.
Okay, EV sales are hitting a plateau just as they become competitive and viable with ICE, because people love them. Whatever you say.
I'm gonna need a source on that. That sounds extremely unlikely.
The technology has been competitive for a decade or more. There's just more availability and better prices to fill an extremely underserved demand.
When most people didn't know that Teslas have the build quality of a 1980s Yugo, their only big problems were that they were too expensive and that they couldn't keep up with demand.
Those are still the main issues with EVs but as more automakers have joined the field, both problems are rapidly diminishing at the same time as people become increasingly aware of the fact that our survival as a species depends more than anything else on divesting from fossil fuels as quickly as possible.
I'm a car guy, and I'd like to have one. I'm waiting for someone to make one fast and affordable like a tesla only not a tesla because elon is a d-bag. If he gets kicked out of the company, I'll buy one the next day.
What fast and affordable levels are you looking for? I assume we're talking Tesla dual motor fast and a budget of 55k? What's wrong with the ionic?
You can get used dual motor 3's for around 15k where I'm at. The tesla is a second quicker in 0 to 60 and the quarter mile, which is a lot faster.