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Supermarket plastic bag charge has led to 98% drop in use in England, data shows
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When the petrol car ban comes in, this could take care of itself as everybody finds themselves priced out of driving.
We'll need a really good public transport system to replace it, but we won't get that either because we're too poor to care about.
A lot of people are already priced out of driving. We need to be building that public transport network, along with active transport infrastructure and better land use anyway.
With petrol you can always get a £500 banger, run it into the ground over the next year or two and repeat.
With electric it starts at about 5000-6000, and you'll be paying £500 a year just to rent the battery. It's the batteries that are going to keep that out of reach of the poorest.
And you still need insurance, fuel etc on top of that, and your £500 banger isn't going to be very reliable.
You can get a decent bike for £50 or a bus ticket for £2. The problem is in a lot of the country it isn't safe to cycle and the buses are shit, so we need to fix those things to have transport that works for everyone (and doesn't create microplastics).
@Blackmist @mondoman712
I only know of Renault leasing the battery in the Zoe.
Otherwise, the battery is part of the car and sold as part of it, with a guarantee.
I think your £500 banger has to be years older than any large number of BEVs, and will cost you more to scrap after you ture of repairing it.
Where are you getting this battery rental from? I only knew of Renault and the very first Nissan leafs that did battery lease.
All the cheapest ones when I searched were Zoe's, presumably because of the battery lease not being included in the purchase price.
@Blackmist @ChromeSkull
Zoes have been around for a while.
Were the cheaper cars not the older ones?
@Blackmist @mondoman712
It isn't a ban, there are huge numbers of them, of which less than a tenth are new any year.
That tenth of new car buyers can keep last year's car, or buy a second hand car, but these are new car buyers, they'll buy a new EV, mostly, or their firm will.
2,3,4...10 owners down the line, look forward to a used EV coming your way, a couple...10 years after no new petrol cars are made.