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I am still surprised by how people get (understandably) outraged at the IDF online but seem to forget that Hamas took those hostages in the first place. A lot of this bloodshed could be stopped right now if Hamas released them.
Sure, the Israeli government is fucking insane, but there are two sides fighting this war.
Fuck me for expecting the non terrorist to have better standards?
You seem to forget that israel took hostages in the first place and the reason Hamas kidnapped people is literally to swap them for the hostages kidnapped by israel.
I am glad you have discovered the moral inconsistency of your argument. We can now conclude both sides should release their hostages.
Now remind men which side is open to a hostage swap without bloodshed and which side isn't?
That's my point here, blaming just one side makes no sense. Both sides have been committing atrocities for decades.
Yet one side is trying to reach a peaceful solution. Hamas.
You can be mad about Hamas using violence but we have left them no other option.
In the West Bank israel is committing Genocide as well. And those people have been trying the peaceful way for decades. And we do not condemn israel for doing so. In fact we keep supporting them and sending them the weapons to commit Genocide and help colonists annex more land.
Israel has made it extremely clear that they will never agree to a peaceful resolution unless they are forced into it. Both with words as with actions, they verbatimly state that they will never agree to let Palestinians have a state.
So no, there is no both sides. There is one side constantly punching the other and the only reason the other side hits back is because it wants the israeli side to stop hitting them.
I don't see Hamas as a "side". I see them as evil fucking terrorists willing to use their own people as shields.
How many times have we seen this, though? People take human shields all the time in and outside of wars. The answer is never to ignore the shields. Those are fucking people.
Both sides are fucking monsters in this conflict... But Israel is emphatically more successful at killing civilians. It's literally a fact at this stage, with mountains of evidence.
Also the IDF was fired upon when they raided. That makes this just war. Hamas chose the war zone.
Swap the word Hamas with israel every time you think there's a great argument to post. Helps to avoid advocating for the murder of civilians like some crazy extremist.
An extremist would say that this can't end until one side kills the other, so might as well get it over with.
I don't believe that. I think as humans we have an obligation to try for peace without murdering half a million people. Unlike most people here, I want to believe that someday both sides can find a way to peace.
But if you insist that one side is good and one side is bad, then this can't end well.
You're also a racist that believes all Palestinians want to kill all Israelis.
You state this openly, and then post a link to a study that doesn't make that claim at all or anything resembling it and call it a source. Which, of course, isn't how sources work. This is how sources work: https://lemmy.ml/post/15906506/11178832 The important bit there is that the source actually shows what I said it shows because I'm not a bad faith liar that enjoys justifying genocide.
You're already insisting one side is good and one side is bad when you intentionally, and surreptitiously lie to try and get people to think your racist statement is true, hoping they don't actually click through to your so-called sources.
So, please, pardon me if I don't believe your bullshit pretending you want peace between the two sides.
Yes, "lemmy.ml" is how sources work.
No, sources link by linking to the thing you say you're linking to.
In this example, I'm linking to your disgusting racist lie in your post that you also appended a source to that didn't corroborate your racist lie.
I'm going to be curious to see if you end up editing out the proof of your racism eventually in the future.
I would argue that one side is fighting to achieve peace while the other side is fighting for the destruction of a population and the annexation of their land.
Remind me again who is rejecting the ceasefire offers.
Hilarious. Which side is that?
(The second part I won't argue. The inevitable annexation is deplorable.)
Hamas is has laid out a very clear and peace plan and has even agreed to a 2 state solution.
Objectively looking at the situation one cannot say that there are two sides which do not want peace.
Only one side does not want peace, and that is israel.
If Hamas hasn't given up their hostages, they must not be that interested in peace.
Israel said they will not stop the Genocide nor release the Palestinian hostages if Hamas releases their hostages. So not sure what you are talking about.