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[-] SCB@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

That doesn't seem very liberal, so this take seems doubtful

[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

So here is an explanation of what "neoliberal" means.

Of course, modern neoliberalism isn't genuinely about any of that. Those are just the excuses they use to push policies that benefit rich people almost exclusively.

They know wealth won't trickle down. They know corporations do horrific things when not bound by regulation. They know that the "free market" has no genuine power to fix it since ethical competiton is prohibitively expensive for both companies and consumers.

And they've definitely done the calculations on the profitability of fascism.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You don't need to define neoliberalism to me. I am a proud neoliberal.

Neoliberals believe the government's role in economics is to address externalities. A significant number of neoliberals (including H.M. Hillary Clinton) are for things like universal health care or (Yang) even UBI.

Your link has accurate info. Your interpretation is inaccurate.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Interesting, I was about to agree with the post you replied to. I dont know what neo-liberalism is and the Wikipedia entry isn’t specific enough to this conversation,so o don’t know who to agree or is agree with, but ….

I don’t see how free market or capitalism is inherently the problem or can’t be the solution.

However it’s government’s job to establish the market, set a fair playing field, set common rules to encourage development toward the needs of society. However government is who abandoned their responsibility. At least in the US , we seem to rarely have a functional government, and much of the action taken shows we are owned by the market, rather than the other way around. Where is the government responsible to voters, rather than the rich or corporate interests? Where is our leadership dedicated to improving things for their constituents, rather than their benefactors? Where is the altriistic leadership, rather than petty or spiteful? Where is the leadership who actually believes in our form of government, our principles, the Constituion at the root, rather than taking advantage of them as a source of power and to accumulate wealth?

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

However it is the government's job to establish...

Great thought, and the main area of disagreement between Neoliberals and Classical Liberals.

As for the rest, while I definitely share your frustration at our government, it's important to note that Congress members vote overwhelmingly in ways their constituents want. Constituents regularly support their own representatives, while still holding that Congress is broken/corrupt/etc. The real problem is Americans hotly and widely disagree on core issues of identity.

There's no easy solution here, but I'm big on chasing evidenced-based policies and solutions wherever possible.

[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

A significant number of neoliberals (including H.M. Hillary Clinton) are for things like universal health care or (Yang) even UBI

Neither of whom are in any danger of accomplishing their goals, both of which are designed to address the horrific situations that neoliberals have brought us.

Were you proud of the GFC? Are you proud to eat Nestlé chocolate? Were you proud when that train derailed in East Palestine? Are you proud when oil company talking points show up on social media?

Neoliberalism is been responsible for the wealth inequality, environmental degradation and political extremism that's currently tearing societies apart.

I have no idea why you'd be proud of it unless you're one of the ones pocketing the obscene profits at others expense.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

"Everything I don't like is neoliberal and the more I don't like it, the more neoliberaler it is"

[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Sounds like if it ever delivered on its pseudo-scientific promises, you'd hate it too.

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