1910
Just a reminder
(lemmy.world)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 12 Jun 2024
1910 points (89.9% liked)
Political Memes
5524 readers
588 users here now
Welcome to politcal memes!
These are our rules:
Be civil
Jokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.
No misinformation
Don’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.
Posts should be memes
Random pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.
No bots, spam or self-promotion
Follow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
My neck is one of the first on the chopping block. Yes.
It's up to neoliberals to change their politics, if they don't our democracy is fucked anyway. This is the one last chance to try and shock them into understanding how they're failing.
Rewarding Biden with a second term will reinforce that Democratic support for genocide is ok as long as they employ a pied piper strategy and help prop up extreme right-wing.
And what, exactly, is the other option? Third parties can't win in FPTP. The DNC isn't going to just suddenly pick Bernie, who isn't even running. So you SAY you want change but your solution is to not vote for the lesser evil. This directly helps a fascist get into power.
Ergo: you are a fascist supporter.
The focus should be on changing the Democratic party politics. Nothing else matters because Democrats represent the only potential chance of combatting fascism, but they are not fit to do so with their current leadership and the strategies they're deploying to force their corporate fucks into office. Encouraging them to continue along the path they're on will only lead to fascism.
Their strategies need to change. They don't respond to public sentiment or outcry, they don't respond to reason or or sympathy or compromise, they only respond to real material threats to their power.
I'm not waiting a generation for Democrats to get their shit together. That's a non-starter. They need to change yesterday, if they don't change and just try to strong arm people into voting for evil candidates then the democracy is full dead.
Ok but how does getting Trump elected do that? He says he's going to be a dictator Day 1. There aren't going to BE any more elections after that. All your high and mighty speech is just bullshit if you don't vote strategically to prevent a literal fascist.
This is why people who don't vote Biden in November are just fascists. If your actions knowingly help a fascist, you are one.
So now you're willfully ignoring Project 2025, and Trump stating he is going to be dictator day 1. Not only that, but with a compromised judicial and legislative branch, you really are gonna sit there and say:
You're not sincere, and if you are, I now can see why you're doubling down on stupidity.
No, I'm just realistic. As I said, I'm prepared for the real possibility of Project 2025 (which the GOP is not going to give up on just because Trump loses). Are you? You don't strike me as ready for what that will require from the American people.
Biden Democrats aren't going to confront Project 2025, if they were serious about avoiding that they'd be throwing themselves in front of Biden to stop him continuing his support of genocide.
Notice how Democrats aren't actually acting with any urgency though? How they'll keep repeating that our democracy is at stake but won't make a single compromise or sacrifice to their constituents to ensure they win this election. Do you fucking notice that?
It seems clear to me that you really want this to become a reality even though, as you stated before that your life would be in danger. So again, it's hard to believe that you want to avoid this when you're actively campaigning for the US to be an authoritarian state.
No. I decidedly don't fucking want it, but pretending that I do is literally the only way you'll allow yourself to understand what I'm saying to you because to actually parse the words I'm actually saying you'd have to admit to the possibility that the lesser of two evils may not be a solution.
You'd have to hold that idea in your brain and extrapolate its consequences. And you just can't bring yourself to imagine that, because you don't want to admit what's happening to this country and what groups have been complicit.
So you lie to yourself in real time about what I'm saying, protecting your bubble, projecting your deluded thinking onto me.
I don't have to pretend at all. Everything you've said on this entire post shows you want this to happen. I don't believe at all your life is in danger. You WANT this to happen. You keep trying to cosplay as some revolutionary hero acting as if you're going to be about it if the time ever comes. We have a term for people like you, keyboard warrior.
Point to where I said I want the worst option.
You are claiming that if I don't buy into your delusional fantasy that must mean I want to be where your politics have landed us. It's incoherent and patently dishonest, but it's the only way you can create a narrative for yourself wherein you can avoid ever entertaining the possibility that you're wrong, that history has proved you wrong already.
We're having this very conversation because of the lesser of two evil strategy, that's why Trump won, it's why Bush won, it's why RvW got overturned, it's why healthcare is still broken, it's why there's a genocide going on and you're telling me it's a "lesser" evil.
And the irony is lost on you.
I don't have to guess whether you're right or not, because we're literally living your politics right now. We are witnessing its abject failure at this very moment.
And it looks exactly like genocide and slow complicity into fascist decay.
Go on, tell me more.
Am I talking to a bot?
Tell you more about how conservative democrats have been controlling the party for decades and now, mysteriously, we're at fascism's door? That's what you're asking me? Why I believe obstructionist, right-wing Democrats don't represent a way forward?
Go look how many Democrats voted for Citizens United. How many Democrats voted for the Patriot Act. How many Democrats voted to invade Iraq, voted to send no strings attached military aid to Israel again and again. How about ask yourself why Democrats didn't legislate bodily autonomy under Obama when they had a super majority and he literally promised it would be his first priority. Ask yourself why they instead chose to pass a forced private insurance bill that was literally crafted by Republicans. They had a fucking super majority and they still managed to lose.
Go back and rewatch Biden idiotically babbling about "rEaChInG aCRoSs tHe AiSlE" to the literal fascists during his campaign, immediately after we just witnessed a Trump presidency and saw that the GOP was full on fascist.
Like how many more of these bumbling corporate idiots will it take for the penny to drop and make you finally realize "Wait a second....the lesser of two evils literally isn't delaying fascism at all!"
Tell me exactly how many more lesser of two evils we need to dutifully elect until we stop trending towards fascism.
I'm letting you speak your mind. You're making yourself look even more stupid all on your own.
Ok, so no answer to Democratic complicity over the decades as to our situation right now. Got it, I guess you can't be blamed if they didn't include it in your training data.
"If the entire democratic party doesn't do what I want, fascists win"
Sounds like what a fascist would say. Go fight your violent revolution in your mind, which is the only place you'll be surviving. Absolutely fucking unhinged.
What I want is, as a basic fucking starting point, a party that does not support genocide.
Yeah, I know, too much to ask right? Why am I sooooo demanding and unbending. It's just some brown people, geez, we kill them all the time. Right guys?
What nonsense. By this time in the election cycle it is too late to change who the 2 candidates are. You sound so incredibly naive with your comment essentially saying “I’m going to just let it all burn down since I can’t vote for the perfect candidate”. Stop your misinformation.
Want a better candidate? Start pushing earlier and in more local elections. Let those candidates build their political careers and move the country left.
You acknowledge your life will be in danger if Trump wins, but yet double down on stupidity. I have a hard time believing you.
You failed to addess my statement.
If Biden does not win in November, that will mean that Trump has.
There is no magic left wing write in.
So you know you can do an easy action to make some people's lives better, to delay fascism, and save minorities from a plan to essentially wipe them out, but you won't because of principles? Because of some notion that the Democratic party will learn from losing?
You know that they lost in 2020 to a fascist. This already happened and the result was 4 years of hell for every minority group in the country. Why do you think this would be any better, or accomplish anything?
No, I won't because the party will not change direction without electoral consequences.
A vote for pro-genocide Democrats at this point is still a vote for inevitable fascism and increasingly worse civil strife.
A delay is only useful if the people you're giving power to will use it to fight. Biden and corporate democrats have proven beyond any dispute that they will not fight. That's how we got here, by relying on corporate democrats to stem the tide.