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[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 182 points 1 year ago

Star wars a new hope started out with Luke as an everyman. But since then it's all become about the bloodline. Rise of Skywalker is especially bad, tearing down the anyone can be special and saying you can only be special because of your bloodline.

[-] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 90 points 1 year ago

The issue with the Star Wars story is that it can't end. This means Luke cannot have been very effective, because the same issues have to repeat historically to promote an endless cycle of protagonists and antagonists and battles that relate to the previous fan-favourites (because nostalgia sells).

Therefore Luke must simultaneously be an awesome hero, and also just some loser that didn't really do anything that worked.

[-] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This gets to the fact that all stories are lies. No one lives happily ever after, for we all die. No one is strong and wins, because strength, weakness, winning and losing are just perceptions that are eventually erased from time.

When you start to intuit that human psychology is heavily based on such soporific narrative, you start to understand how people can be so stupid, both individually and collectively.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

That seems a little glib to me. Not all stories are lies, not all stories have happy endings, some victors are known now thousands of years after their death. On a cosmic timescale I suppose that, trivially, nothing matters - but, conversely, the cosmic timescale is so vast that it doesn't matter to us...

Also I couldn't really parse what you were saying in your second paragraph so I'm gonna leave that there

[-] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

but, conversely, the cosmic timescale is so vast that it doesn't matter to us...

I agree, stories only matter because we lack objectivity.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure that anything can objectively be said to 'matter'. So, yeah, I guess? Things only matter to us because we.care about them, sure...

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