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Despite Biden losing, debate also showcased how awful Trump is as a candidate (hexbear.net)

submitted 4 months ago by MarieFontenot@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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No real answers or policy proposals, blaming every problem on migrants (while Biden's policy on the border is largely a continuation of Trump's), just a bunch of bullshit "everything was great, now everything sucks, but I will make it great again". I honestly cringed at Trump more, Biden's ramblings at least were funny.

I can't imagine anyone who's undecided at this point listen to this and say "This guy will make things right". Trump's entire objective is to let Biden stumble and fall and then cruise to presidency, but he makes every effort imaginable to prevent himself from it. No zingers or clever retorts against a literal corpse (aside from maybe one "I don't know what he said and he isn't either"), just and abysmal performance. Honestly, even someone like Ramaswami would've dogwalked Biden.

If anyone is capable of losing to Biden at this point, it's Trump.

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[-] Doubledee@hexbear.net 56 points 4 months ago

Well he's in a bind honestly, going by the people I know that profess to like Trump. They want imaginary stupid things that can't be said out loud without being obviously stupid or contradictory.

Like, he wants to run as anti-war, and also oppose a cease fire in Gaza? He wants credit for Afghanistan but not to accept that losing a war means an embarrassing retreat. He wants to support the Jan 6th people but also not get yelled at for being supportive of overthrowing the government. He's gonna end the war in Ukraine before he even comes in, but the terms Putin is asking for are unacceptable?

You have to keep banging on about immigrants because if you get concrete about anything else someone might notice that it makes no fucking sense.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The Trumpy anti-war stance basically means 'don't send US troops anywhere', they're usually fine with enabling Israel or other 'allies' to prosecute their wars/genocides. Opposition to the Ukraine wars is also more due to them liking Putin's anti-woke stuff instead of some kind of anti-imperialist principle.

[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago

The Afghanistan contradiction is also easily solved: Trump started to end that war (which he didn't begin), but 'Biden fumbled the withdrawal of troops making it a shitshow (and he was also there when the war began and intensified).

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 6 points 4 months ago

I mean, those are actual facts. Probably one of the few good things he's done, unironically (probably not for the right reasons, but still).

[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

The spin there is twofold. First, while Trump himself likes to point out that the war on terror and the destruction of half the middle east was all dumb decisions, the media doesn't. Right wing media will emphasize that Biden was there with during the Iraq War, but won't necessarily condemn the war itself. The second spin is the idea that anybody could have done it better. It's a Saigon moment. The rapid collapse of the potemkin american client is the point.