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What are some smaller Lemmy / Kbin instances that are just as good as lemmy.world (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by gunpachi@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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I'm just asking for recommendations in case, I feel like migrating to a smaller instance or maybe try kbin for a change (but I'll miss the voyager web app)

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[-] million@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Seems super reasonable to me.

[-] Rom@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

At first glace, sure, but when you look into it deeper it's a cowardly move. For one, Hexbear made it perfectly clear they expect their users to abide by the rules of the instances they visit and not cause trouble. Also,

"Defederation should only be considered as a last resort . . . We made the decision to preemptively defederate"

Along with their stated goal to (emphasis mine)

Provide a friendly, safe, and welcoming environment for all members; regardless of gender identity or expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, political affiliation, or other similar characteristic. Human comes first.

Not to mention how long they dragged their heels defederating from the fascists at exploding heads yet are preemptively defederating from hexbear. And to top it all off there's loads of comments calling hexbear users "Russian bot farms" and "a cesspool for genocidal lunatics." The whole thing is ignorant as hell.

On the other hand it was enough to convince me to switch away from lemmy.world, so there's that.

[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For one, Hexbear made it perfectly clear they expect their users to abide by the rules of the instances they visit and not cause trouble.

The users at Hexbear made it perfectly clear in the discussions about federation that they weren't going to respect that request and were openly encouraging each other to brigade other instances. They seem to have quite a number of participants who were really looking forward to being able to "bully the libs" and a quick scan showed several comments about sending offensive DMs to users of other instances. I was also able to find multiple HB users who openly admitted to already being banned multiple times from beehaw for trollish community breaking behavior.

The idea that BH users would have been well behaved is wishful thinking as they've already shown the Fediverse how they behave. Their instance Admins and Users are also not shy with how they are approaching Federation. They very specifically want the freedom to participate in other instances without those instances being able to engage them. Put together they want the freedom to "own the libs" all across the Fediverse without having those same libs show up in their carefully crafted safe space. They want to eat their cake and have it too.

To be clear I don't agree with how Lemmy.World handled the blocking of Hexbear. I would strongly have preferred community engagement on the issue prior to the block but looking at the Troll Army being formed at HB I can't necessarily fault the admins of LW either. Dealing with ideologically motivated extremists is a lot of work that no one wants to do.

[-] Rom@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The users at Hexbear made it perfectly clear in the discussions about federation that they weren’t going to respect that request and were openly encouraging each other to brigade other instances.

Source: trust me bro.

and a quick scan showed several comments about sending offensive DMs to users of other instances

I've looked through several Hexbear threads and I haven't seen a single indication of this. The most common sentiment I'm seeing is "fuck 'em, we're better off without them." Link me these alleged comments, please.

The idea that BH users would have been well behaved is wishful thinking as they’ve already shown the Fediverse how they behave.

Frankly lemmy.world users have shown themselves to be considerably worse, straight up making shit up and calling Hexbear users “Russian bot farms” and “a cesspool for genocidal lunatics." All the incivility is coming from the frothing-at-the-mouth libs who can't stand that other people might have genuine anti-imperialist views.