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I saw an article about them attacking Lebanon now. So, where will it stop? Have the Israeli government ever spoken about this?

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[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Wow, what a miss you took.

I hope that didn't take you a long time.

Then again, it's much funnier if you did.

Your argument against the Israeli colonization of Palestine is that the Palestinian settlements are even smaller than they appear to be on the map.

Yes, that is the a problem. That is the point of the maps, to show how little land Palestinians have left.

Your argument is that people only own the land of the country they're standing directly upon. Amazing.

You should go argue that to literally any country in the world where that is not correct.

Go look up the term "national boundaries"

However,

Your incorrect understanding of borders is exactly what the Israeli government is arguing as the reason it's okay for them to continue to illegally colonize Palestine and execute the civilians there.

It's also not true, but you don't seem very concerned with the truth.

As for pretending to read the article incorrectly so that you can argue against it, that's just you arguing against yourself.

Not super relevant.

Your arguments:

  1. Irrelevant to the amount of land that Israel has illegally annexed from Palestine.

  2. You complain that colors are propaganda! Doubtful, since so many of these maps use different colors, and it is not relevant to the amount of land that Israel has illegally annexed from Palestine for the past 70 years

  3. Nope, the first map details the settlement area of the Palestinian people. Again, you can look at border maps for many countries, but steal yourself! You'll be shocked that people are not standing on every square inch of their country. Your argument here also is not relevant to the amount of land that Israel has illegally annexed from Palestine for the past 70 years.

  4. Colors(you already did this) are not relevant to the amount of land that Israel has illegally annex from Palestine for the past 70 years.

  5. "It's not stealing land because fewer countries recognized Palestine as a country then."

I mean...Taiwan...

Actually I'll explain this because it doesn't seem like you understand much about national politics. Or geography. Or colonization.

145 countries recognize Palestine as a country.

A dozen (12, for you) countries recognize Taiwan as a country

If Taiwan gets annexed by China, it's still going to be a country being annexed(land being stolen) by China, even if not everybody is willing to recognize Taiwan as a country yet.

Also, pretty irrelevant to the amount of land that Israel has illegally annexed from Palestine for the past 70 years.

  1. Is this "argument" also a basic misunderstanding by you of politics and geography? No! It's a tacit statement of approval by you for Israel annexing a bunch of land.

Greeeeat.

All you're doing here is arguing that Russia annexing Crimea and trying to annex Ukraine is cool because... Russia wants land that belongs to others.

  1. Your complaint here is that Palestinians didn't lose as much land in some decades as they did in other decades, so none of the annexation counts!

Not a great argument.

Kind of missing the point of how Violet is to steal land from people after you kill the civilians on it.

And 8. Your most bizarre criticism. There's no source for this map?

Like, how do you get such s basic thing incorrect? Do you even know how search engines work?

Here's a bunch of sources for that map, even with different colors for your weird color fetish.

You'll have to come up with all new reasons why these different colors scare you.

https://visualizingpalestine.org/visual/http-visualizingpalestine-org-visuals-shrinking-palestine-static/

https://www.palestineportal.org/learn-teach/israelpalestine-the-basics/maps/maps-loss-of-land/

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Figure-1-Showing-the-Loss-of-the-Palestinian-Land-and-the-Segregation-of-Palestinians_fig1_378482435

Here's one on your side, they used different colors and swear that the map is wrong;

https://aijac.org.au/fresh-air/disappearing-palestine-the-maps-that-lie/

Unfortunately, their "correct" maps begin and end in the exact same place and still highlight disappearing Palestinian territory, and they don't even include the illegal settlements by Israeli civilians.

My answer completely and credibly answers your question:

Israel made that disingenuous 2005 statement because they knew they didn't have to give any land back to Palestine, because they knew that Israeli civilian settlers would continue to annex Palestine, and because it would make people like you believe that they stopped colonizing Palestine, contrary to all of the evidence of continued Israeli settlement of Palestinian land in the ensuing years.

Including right now.

Where they are colonizing Palestine and putting up residential neighborhoods.

That's in the sources from my previous comment that you seem a bit wary to mention.

Here's the BBC reporting on the continued illegal Israeli settlement of Palestine.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68490034

Here's the times of Israel, proudly declaring their intent to illegally settle Palestinian land, sanctioned by the defense ministry.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/government-panel-greenlights-nearly-3500-new-west-bank-homes/

Here's PBS, describing Israel planning to illegally annex and colonize Palestine:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israel-plans-to-build-3300-new-settlement-homes-in-occupied-west-bank-in-response-to-a-fatal-shooting

Here's Reuters describing The ongoing illegal annexation and settlement of Palestine by Israel:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-advances-peak-number-west-bank-settlement-plans-2023-watchdog-2023-07-13/

Go ahead, please try to explain how all of these sources, including Israel and their ministry of defense stating that they are going to annex Palestine, are just kidding about the illegal annexation of Palestine.

Your argument that the colors are wrong has nothing to do with the number of times Israel has invaded, razed, annexed and colonized Palestine, nor with the amount of civilians it's executed or with schools, hospitals it's bombed.

That was a pretty fun victory lap for me.

Keep swinging though, I like dancing on laurels

[-] SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

You're so disingenuous and brain dead that it's literally not worth my time to engage you.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

I understand you're afraid of revealing your ignorance.

That ship has sailed.

I'm very directly telling you to ask for help.

Nothing disingenuous.

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