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I thought whataboutism was like a cardinal sin to redditors
Good thing we're on lemmy.
But it's not whataboutism when we compare the two presidential candidates on their platform and actions.
That's interesting. Why does that standard change so much in the context of presidential candidates compared to every other situation?
Like, if someone was criticizing, say, Fidel Castro, and instead of addressing it I brought up the problems with the Batista regime that he opposed, would that be whataboutism? Just as in a presidential election, there were two realistic possibilities, either Batista stays in power or he's overthrown. So if it's valid to divert from criticism of Biden towards problems with his most realistic alternative, Trump, then why would it not be valid to do the same thing with Castro and Batista, or any number of similar cases?
We are talking about a stance of two presidential candidates, the context matter when talking whataboutism.
In this case, the stance of both candidates on Israel is part of their political platform and we're in the presidential campaign.
Whataboutism would be Republicans defending Trump on its criminal charge by talking about Hillary's emails. Those two things are unrelated.
Understood. So as long as I'm talking about the same metric, I'm allowed to bring up how things were before a socialist government came to power and that's not whataboutism.
When Castro and Batista will be running candidates, we can ask them their stance on Israel and give them cute nicknames, but until then, we can debate the stance of Biden and Trump, the two running candidates and compare their platform.
Is that hard to grasp?
Not at all. I'm just trying to establish the rules governing whataboutism, because it sometimes seems to me like there's a double standard.
Their username is redditwanderer which is why I referenced reddit and in debatebro terms arguing against the statement about joe biden not being "well intentioned" because he supports genocide by bringing up how trump is worse is whataboutism.
I am dense and didn't catch that.
This would make sense if the argument wasn't used like Trump wouldn't do the same. "Genocide joe" is just a bad argument when comparing presidents, not on it's own.
We can talk about what Biden is doing wrong, but that's not why they are bringing it up as the only argument they have.
Plus, Trump is going to turn around and enabled a second genocide in Ukraine.
where are they implying trump wouldnt do the same? Imagine someone claimed hitler was evil and Roosevelt well intentioned. Someone pointing out that roosevelt was responsible for the unnecessary detonation of two atomic bombs over civilian population centers is not coming to hitlers defense. Roosevelt was a racist scumbag and so is Biden. None of this is a defense of trump.