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trump isn't the cause, he's a symptom.
trump might be the worst so far, but so has every single Republican president going back to Nixon.
When the Republican nominee is finally not trump, there is zero logical reason to expect that next person to not be even more crazy.
We can't keep reacting to them and treating every election like it's the last night at the Alamo.
If we want to stop fascism we need long term planning, planning for what we do if we win, plans for when shit goes wrong, plans for fucking every contingency. Plans for the next decades even after we think we finally beat fascism.
That's supposed to be the entire point of the national party. Long term strategy past any one candidate.
Instead they only care about raising as much money as humanely possible in the moment.
Shit is too real to just blindly vote blue no matter who, we need to start asking why the people running the party are even around. And if they're honestly more worried about making money that stopping fascism.
Here I think lies the main problem. When Biden was elected in 2020, in my understanding the goal was always for him to warm the seat for the next/younger generation. In those 4 years nobody stepped forward, and they are scared of proposing a forward looking vision because it may alienate some voters (either on the left or in the center). So now we have the choice between stagnation or actively tearing down Democracy.
You can't put it on junior party members...
Biden appointed DNC leadership, and if anyone challenged him or the status quo, then they'd ruin their career if they missed.
Obama made it, but if he had lost 08 and gotten the 2016 Bernie treatment it would have likely ended his career.
I'd also argue the concern of the party and it's leadership isn't alienating voters, it's pissing off donors.
For decades the neoliberals running the party have cared about donors over everything else. It's literally killing the party and preventing us from "winning" even when Dems win an election.
Because the donors that the DNC doesn't want to piss off, are often the same wealthy assholes giving to Republicans.
People desperately want to act like the Clinton's attending Trump's wedding was a one off.
But most of the big Dem donors have more in common with trump than us, and there's no way they're giving all that money away to just have to pay more in taxes.
The wealthy bought out both parties long ago, and we can't just keep ignoring it.
It's not enough to just be slightly less shitty than republicans.
The truly despicable people remain in the shadows.
Edit: despicable not disposable stupid autocorrect
I think you’re right about him not being the cause, but I’m not sure he’s just a symptom. At a minimum he’s certainly a catalyst.
That's where I disagree.
trump just didn't maintain a veneer of civility.
But any Republican president would have done 99% of the same shit trump did.
What would really be dangerous is someone that didn't also run around admitting to all of their crimes, we barely are holding trump accountable and he's completely blatant and unapologetic when breaking the rules.
If it had been Paul Ryan or Jeb in 2016...
We'd be even more fucked than now.
You might be right, but what I meant is that no one can whip their followers into a mouth-frothing frenzy quite like he does. Come on, no one is storming the capital for Jeb.
What did trump actually do to cause it?
Bannon and other shit heels organized it, trump let it happen and shares all the guilt.
But it didn't happen because trump made it happen, it happened because he let it happen.
What's fucked, is someone like Jeb likely wouldn't have been in the position to even try it, because he wouldn't have fucked up COVID so spectacularly and likely would have won a second term. 2016 would have led to "project 2025" without the need to wait for 2025. Shit would have probably already been done. Jeb would have even gotten more SC seats that second term.
But if he lost due to something like Russian interference coming out (they'd have supported any Republican) and if he thought he honestly might face consequences...
Jeb would have 100% let it happen too.
trump just accelerated things before they were ready, so they failed.
But conservatives have been planning this shit literally since Nixon. Say what you want about the figureheads that get elected, but the people running the show behind the scenes are fucking intelligent, have resources, and plan decades ahead of time.
They also donate to both parties these days to ensure even when they lose, they're not really losing.
The surface game is just to distract us we won't fix shit until at least one party's leadership isn't corrupt.
It doesn't fucking matter who the Republican president is, the Republican president hasn't been the one actually doing shit since before Reagan.
And I know I went on a rant, I'm just sick and tired of the people who deserve the real blame constantly getting away with shit because everyone goes for the fall guy. Fall guy is still guilty. But you don't stop after getting the fall guy.
I think that, frankly, COVID would have fucked up any president. I mean, we had some damning rhetoric and piss poor moves, but on the other hand there weren't good moves really to be had. The best response would have still been an economic catastrophe that would not have recovered. We might have had fewer deaths, but we'd still have a lot of them. I think if it had been COVID-11 then even Obama would have lost his second term.
It's not even Republican presidents. Newt Gingrich destroyed the House. Mitch McConnell destroyed the Senate. And there's a whole bench of people willing to continue their work.
The entirety of the Republican party, from their philosophy to their platform to their elected officials to the individual voters, is a poison. And they have a lot more power than Democrats thanks to their low population density.
McTurtle is one of the last dinosaurs where he was in office and doing the dirt.
Ever since Nixon though they realized it's better to have a fall guy in office and stay behind the scenes.
There's new generations of them, most people will just never know their names now.
Thank you! While I do agree, voting for Biden is a no brainer when it comes to the binary choice, as someone from another country, this shit is frustrating.
You guys have had the same tone since 2016. I get it but clearly there is a huge crack in the system that is just propagating more and more.
The rest of the world is worried, as in worried long term, not just for November.