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Not just voter abstention, but ineffective voting too. Voting 3rd in this election is a surefire way to get trump back in office. If you wanted to stick it to Biden and get someone else, your chance was 4 years ago during the primary.
You're not voting Biden because you like him, you're voting Biden because you want to be able to vote for someone else in 2028. That is literally what is at stake here, and it can't be said loud enough or often enough.
Before the "real left" quisling trolls respond, please tell us two things... Who is the 3rd party candidate you are supporting instead? What are their chances of winning this election?
I'm sorry I didn't realize we elected presidents for 8 year terms?
Edit- just preserving this quote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
Biden is very much the Democrat presumptive nominee. The time to select someone else was before he was President. The acting president is usually the nominee for their respective party. Also note that the DNC primary nomination is not the presidency.
We have absolutely aborted the campaigns of incumbent presidents before. The DNC and White House however worked very hard to shut down any criticism during the primary timeframe, refused to have debates, disburse money, etc
So if they're going to treat this full election as a preference poll on Biden, then so will the people. And his approval numbers are bad.
Once... Over 100 years ago...
https://www.npr.org/sections/politicaljunkie/2009/07/a_president_denied_renominatio.html
How bad do you want to roll those odds on trump getting elected again? Also, who are you supporting for president this time round, and what do you figure their chances are of winning?
I said aborted the campaign, not lost the nomination. Usually the candidates have the good sense to bow out before that happens.
Are you talking about Truman? One guy who started to seek the presidency, after serving 1.5 terms, and then pulling out before being the presumptive nominee? I don't think history is on your side for this one.
Also, answer the questions please.
Edit: You actually said "We have absolutely aborted the campaigns of incumbent presidents before." Implying that the candidate did not win their nomination. Let's go ahead and put those goalposts back where they were initially.
There's no implication there. The words mean exactly what they say.
Alright, so your position is invalid. Before moving on, please answer my original questions.
I'm glad you unilaterally decided that.
Actually, you decided that.
Answer the questions already.
I'm not going to engage in whataboutism.
Clearly you don't understand what a whataboutism is.
Your position was logically indefensible, which I have demonstrated (without your answers, or lack thereof, to my original challenge) even after you moved the goalposts. If you wish to discuss this further, you'll need to clear the initial (very low) bar I laid out for honest discourse. It's time you put some skin in the game, instead of polluting my screen with vacuous replies from the safety of political/social anonymity.
The idea that campaigns get aborted is indefensible? That we don't elect presidents for 8 years? or That the DNC leans hard on any dissent to prevent such an end to Biden's campaign? Which idea there is indefensible? The only thing you've done is denied, fearmongered, and shouted what about trump. That's not something I'm going to spend more than a couple minutes responding to.
No, you're moving your goalpost again. We have not "aborted" the campaign of an incumbent president.
This is a poor strawman that you have built and has been refuted, please refer back.
Finally, something new and of substance. Yes, the DNC has had a history of picking favorite candidates. Unfortunately, this is the first time you've brought this up, hence why I haven't addressed it, and at this point, I have serious doubts about you arguing in good faith. Please address my original questions before I address any more of yours.
Citations needed.
Yep, and it shows, with your piss poor logic, inability to recall, and time wasting dribble that you call a "response".
The citation is this thread.
Disingenuous troll is disingenuous, color me surprised. Take a hike.
This from the guy who says you only get to vote against your party's president before they're president.
If you're going to deny things that clearly exist then I'm under no obligation to take you seriously.
I've doubted you were serious since your 3rd reply. Pass the test or accept your fate as a miserable coward.
LMAO, oh no! Random internet stranger thinks I'm a coward. The horror!
LMAO, oh no! You've admitted you're a troll coward to the entire internet! What a huge loss for humanity!