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(lemmy.world)
Conservatives joke that progressives just blow with the wind from one controversy to the next. But I can't help but notice the anti-Biden "left" shifted hard from Genocide Joe to Bad debate Performance without skipping a beat or looking back.
Almost like the people stoking these fires don't really care about left issues at all.
I'm convinced they're just astroturfers. One of the many voter suppression tactics of the right.
So, voting for the lesser of two evils doesn't work. We've done that for 50 years, and all it's achieved is a political duopoly that's so far to the right that Democrats are now where Republicans were. How does your political strategy of voting for right-wingers change that?
Is all you have to offer "slow the slide into fascism marginally until the general public acclimates to fascism"? Because that's what the lesser of two evils gets us.
I don't see that the US has tried voting for the lesser of two evils. The Democrats have only had full control of Congress and the presidency for... I think it ended up being like 11 months or so in modern history. The brief period of Obama's term when the planets aligned and some intra-term weirdness happened in Congress that allowed the ACA to pass.
I never proposed a strategy of voting for right-wingers.
What do you propose and how will that help?
Yes, the ACA was born as a Republican bill, and this was after Obama promised abortion would be the first thing on his list when they got the super majority. Then he simply said it "wasn't a priority any longer" when that chance came. It illustrates exactly why establishment Democrats are complicit in the loss of our fundemental rights, they are not willing or prepared to seize on opportunities to fight fascism the way fascists are prepared to seize opportunities to undermine our democracy.
Dems don't want to resolve issues like abortion, if they didn't have that they'd have to start talking about campaign finance reform and election procedures (proving how we vote) etc. It's much easier to just be locked in an unwinnable struggle with other corporate conservatives from the other team.
Joe Biden is a right-winger, having a D next to his name doesn't change that. I'm talking about right-wing Democrats.
If you want the party to change, you stop rewarding them for propping up MAGA chuds to make their own right-wing candidates appear more palatable. You draw a line (maybe at something like genocide support) and don't cross it until the Democrats are starved enough to stop their games. The politicians are suppose to work for us, not vice versa, and they simply will not listen until their power is seriously threatened.
Lol exactly you're just spouting GOP talking points.
Even the simplest question of "what do you propose we do" you a see with "stop supporting the only chance to stop the GOP right now". 100% complaints with no actual solutions.
I think we're trying to solve different problems, that's what you're confused about. You're thinking in the immediate term, about what's right in front of your face right now making you so scared. That's how you get led around by the nose every election cycle, voting for Republican-lite, solving nothing, leading us further down the road to fascism with every wasted administration.
I'm thinking in terms of solving the long term problem that has brought us to the point of fascism; the corruption and ineptitude of the Democratic party. The Democratic party represents the only potential avenue out of the fascist predicament that the GOP and right-wing Democrats have put us in, but they aren't equipped or willing to actually fight, they need to be made so. The only way that happens is by twisting their arm and not giving into their extortion tactics, they need to be shown that it's not politically viable.
You see the American people as fragile, I do not. I think that's the fundamental difference in our approaches here. You're afraid of personal discomfort, sacrifice and conflict and that's how you operate politically, trying to save your bubble of comfort at all costs. But there is no saving it, and many other Americans and people around the world have been living (and being killed) outside that bubble already for a long time.
We don't live in an era where we get to just be comfortable and pretend everything is fine, the Boomers got that. We live in an era where we have to face tyrants and our democratic institutions have been corrupted pretty much beyond function by the two parties.
The starting point is reform of the Democratic party through whatever means necessary, the rest is secondary until we have politicians willing to fight. Filling political offices with empty suits and fascist-lite politicians is counter-productive. Don't let the lesser of two evils be the enemy of good.
You just said a lot of things that are wrong in a very short amount of time, try to fact check yourself instead of spreading FUD and misinformation.
This is the only thing I'm going to correct, you can fix yourself on the rest:
No we haven't. We vote for the lesser of two evils every other election or so, then get butt hurt and stop voting because Clinton's emails, or because Gore is boring, or some other dumbass reason like that.
No one's spreading "FUD", I'm quite certain that less evil Democrats have not stopped our slide into fascism because I've witnessed it. We're living the results of your strategy right now at this very moment. Does it feel like you're "slowly winning"?
It sure fucking did til people like you landed us trump
That was Clinton and the DNC who gave you Trump, not the voters.
Biden isnt to blame for gaza, but you still hate him for not doing all he can to stop untold suffering
Same thing here, but voting is a lot simpler, and a lot less negative consiquences for the one doing it
Ah yes, it's a good thing there was only 35,000+ people murdered (half of them children), doctors executed and imprisoned, patients left to die in their beds, 70-80% of infrastructure decimated, millions displaced and forced into a tiny space with no food, water, fuel or medicine where they're now dying en mass to starvation and the ones that do survive will suffer the consequences of acute malnutrition for the rest of their lives.
I'm so glad we avoided "untold suffering" by continuing to deliver bombs and aid to the far-right genocidal government.
Providing cover for Biden's complicity here is utterly disgusting.
Oh no, you don't understand, if you're not for Biden, you're obviously a pro-Trump shill. There's no room left for nuance.
It's why political discourse is all but dead. You see this same braindead take all over the place. Dems constantly saying how braindead Reps are, but then constantly throwing out bad faith arguments and strawmen. But if you point out the flaws, you're just a shill who can be ignored.
We're doomed.