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Pittsburgh synagogue gunman gets death penalty
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To the people reading the comments and who are against the death penalty: this man has no mental illness he simply is an antisemitic piece of shit who deeply desired to see people suffer, there is no chance of rehabilitation at 50 years old and that far gone off the deep end.
If you think people who oppose the death penalty only do so because "criminals can't possibly be evil enough" then you're a bit naïve
Yeah, I’m not in the slightest bit upset this guy’s getting executed, but I’m still against the death penalty on principle because not every person sentenced to death is clearly guilty like this POS is, some have even been proven to be innocent. It’s also expensive as hell to sentence someone to death because of the extensive appeals process. When making laws, it’s crucial to look at the outliers and unintended consequences of the policy.
There's also a shockingly high failure rate for modes of state execution, and a lot of gross details surrounding it as a method of punishment. Jacob Geller did a great and disturbing video about it:
https://youtu.be/eirR4FHY2YY
My opinion of the accused has absolutely nothing to do with my objection to the death penalty. Actually, the fact that you brought it up is rather telling, in that what you're advocating for simply boils down to revenge, which has no place whatsoever in the criminal justice system.
I have two major oppositions to capital punishment, and neither are rooted in the possibility of rehabilitation or not.
The state is not infallible. If you put someone into prison for ten years and find out you messed up, you can at least release them. You can't give them those years back, but you can try to do right by them as much as you are able. You execute the wrong person? You're just a murderer.
Personally, life in prison (and not a cushy wall street exec prison) seems like a way worse punishment. Even if I was only concerned with providing somebody the worst possible punishment, lifetime imprisonment would be worse.
Mostly though for me, it is number 1.
Your reply has changed my mind about corporal punishment and I am starting to agree with you. Thank you.
And the kind of people willing to commit crimes that would deserve death are not likely to be deterred by the potential punishment.
Will it cost taxpayers more to kill him, or let him sit in a cell until he dies? Hint: option 1 is more expensive.
Also, you are literally the first comment.
If he did not have the death sentence, he would be protected in prison by the racist white extremist population in there, in fact he would live a comfortable and safe life in prison because his racist peers in there would celebrate him and provide for him.
Fuck that, and fuck you for defending him. Kill that antisemitic piece of shit yesterday. I'll do it myself for free.
You’re out of pocket. Nobody is defending this asshole, and you’re delusional if you think prison is comfortable for anyone. This prick won’t be getting executed any time soon; he will sit in prison for years regardless, tying up court resources appealing his execution during that time.
Hmmm… I didn’t defend him. Your reading comprehension needs work.
He may not be mentally ill, but perhaps you need a check up.
Thank you for that comment. I legitimately made an appointment for a mental health counselor a few months from now.
I would rather you kill him than the state. I'm actually fine with that logic.
I realize that this is the thoughts of a psychopath, but there must be people out there who do not feel a remote level of remorse killing other human beings who have been convicted criminals that cannot be rehabilitated and would enjoy satiating a primal need.
I enjoy living in a safe and considerate society, and take care of my elderly neighbors and family, I call my friends when they feel ill, yet I also enjoy the thoughts of murdering pedophiles and serial killers as a strange justified bloodlust.
I understand we all like to think most people want live in a peaceful and caring society, but to put it bluntly there are many people out there who do not give a fuck about any of that and enjoy seeing suffering to make themselves feel better. Having limp-wrist peace-and-love rose-tinted glasses pacifists are not going to protect you from those monsters.
It all depends on the circumstances of prison. Take him somewhere where there are no gangs getting to him. Handle him correctly, but with zero empathy,no goodwill,no good behaviour, nothing. There is zero comfort, zero safety beyond the rules of the institution.
It is absolutely possible to make that happen - and the US does a mighty fine job at it in the more advanced institutions like Florence from what I hear.
Real life is no prison movie,mate.
The real risk is that the orange is pardoning him if he gets to power ..
dont care, i dont want the government to be allowed to kill anyone, no matter how much they deserve it.
But it's not the government, it's the court.
@BaroqueInMind @BrikoX I'm against the death penalty, because I don't think that the state should have the right to end a person's life.
Even in countries with a more liberal legal system (like Germany, where I live), there is the possibility that the judge decides that a person is a danger to the community even after the end of their penalty. It is called "life imprisonment followed by preventive detention".
The death penalty is not widely supported among Jewish communities — doubly so for the reform population in my old neighborhood in Pittsburgh. I agree with you that this feels right, but I can't help but feel like this is justice delivered for people other than the affected. I miss Squirrel Hill every day, and I am not sure that the wound that this asshole created will ever heal. I think about the lost every day.
If you support the death penalty then you believe either:
I definitely don't think they're infallible, as there are loads of cases where people are exonerated only after serving decades in prison, or after their death. And I'm definitely not okay with the government executing an innocent person.
The death penalty does not bring peace to victims or their families. You reopen old wounds every time the media talks about a new appeal or delay. With life in prison, they stay silent and forgotten.
This gets lost among all the other arguments: wrong conviction, costs, etc.
Exactly, sentence him to death by old age, but only after spending the next 30 years in a cell surrounded by assholes. Jokes aside, he does deserve it, but the state should not have the authority to take the lives of its citizens.
From a guy that is more right than left, you really missed the point. Of course he is guilty beyond doubt. You only have to look at the countries that still have a death sentence to see what group the US associates this with. That after ignoring innocent people and costs etc
Killing while necessary for self defense can be justified. The death sentence is like killing someone who is running away from you and no threat. It is barbaric. I don't think rehabilitation is in anyone's thought. Personally for life sentences I don't think the prison system has to consider that at all. I don't think it has to be particularly cruel but I don't think it has to be particular comfortable either for those who can never join society again.
Death sentences simply belong in the past.
To the people who support the death penalty, please volunteer for it yourself first before enforcing it on others through an unjust justice system.
I'm generally pro killing nazis when practical concerns prevent their rehabilitation like in this situation but given the environment I worry this will just give the nazis another martyr to rally around.