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Andrew Tate and his brother Tristan accused of being ‘serial tax evaders’
(www.theguardian.com)
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Is this really the problem, or is the problem that the sort of people with role models like Tate are the sort of people who wouldn't gravitate towards non-toxic role models in the first place?
Because if it's actually true that there are very few good male role models to choose from, I'm not entirely sure what that tells us about men, exactly.
It's more a factor of the format. There are few if any good female role models for the same type of spaces. The terminally online and angry at life teens aren't interacting with the spaces where good role models are.
And the algorithms are actively pushing them away from the good role models toward the controversial videos.
This is such an odd take that I'm really not sure what type of spaces you're referring to exactly
Spaces of anger at life. Of "edginess" bordering into the "isms" (racism, antisemitism, sexism etc) as proof of how much you don't give a fuck. That exists for many (usually depressed) teens. These spaces exist for both young men and women and lead into listening to the same type of shit takes. These spaces basically algorithmically get "edgier" and edgier until they are actually racist, sexist, etc. Any good role model who chances upon this and tries to engage is drowned out derided and shunned (either for not understanding "we're just being edgy, man" to "heres some 'articles' about phrenology and the replacement theory that looks real emough to most people" until the good person leaves.
The female equivalent to Tate would be something like a "tradwife" vlogger. They may not be as infamous but there's a lot of them and they aren't better.
A woman watching tradwife vlogs and a man watching Tate are both upset about various things in society. Many of which are reasonable, the cost of living, being able to find a partner, why the government doesn't work for them, whether there is any meaning in their life basically. They only get the perspective of get rich, fuck women or find a rich man and make babies/take care of the house.
Ah right yes, I get what you mean, definitely agree with that