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Sync VS FOSS thing isn't over yet? Let everyone use what they like the most. Let everyone be the judge of their own data and how it is being used. For god's sake, live and let live folks
We're on the Liftoff community. And it's his opinion.
I would rather not normalize closed source software. Might as well just go back to Reddit.
I, for one would rather actively work to de-normalize it!
There, is that written accurately enough for you?
I should clarify. I don't want to normalize it... In the FOSS sphere (Lemmy).
But also you really shouldn't flout how frequently your data is pillaged and sold out. Its an embarrassing look.
I for one use exclusively FOSS software outside of my banking app.
Do you know yourself for a fact that no data is being taken by Sync itself?
And its a fact that Google and Firebase are taking your data. Even if Sync itself doesn't collect any data, it uses Google products (as stated in their Privacy Policy which I'm 1000% you did read), and any and all google products will take your data.
That's the point of using a FOSS client, if it collected data people would know, the code is public. And the data collection can be removed, since the code is public.
Even outside of data collection or privacy, which clearly you don't care about, we should avoid giving Google more power. Look at manifest v3 or the web integrity API. That affects not only your privacy, but your security and ability to use the internet. And not only yours, but the whole world
Well, you are just one of the (majority of) people who apparently don't care about being tracked by google. Me personally, others in the comments and maybe OP don't use anything google related, have custom ROMs without gapps and avoid Google like the plague. So it is a concern for us, using Sync would open the door to google tracking.
Others have pointed out that even if you pay for pro, Sync still requires Play Services.
You seem to happily Google products, so my point wouldn't apply to you. I just thought that most people would be concerned about google and tracking and fingerprinting and all that stuff, since we are in Lemmy and the Liftoff sub.
Firebase is typically a dependency for key app features. If the app still works 100%, you're probably not even blocking the traffic.
Using Google Drive/Photos is just another problem. Amazing to me people keep bringing that up like a "you're a hypocrite" trump card.
What API isn't loaded for subscribers? Firebase?
"It's not a problem because I choose to ignore the downsides"
Morals have nothing to do with it. Im, quite plainly, saying that is is pretty stupid to put your data into closed source apps.
Only ignorant people do that.
The only reason I use my bank app is because its literally required to exist in America. If it were up to me, it wouldn't be.
Most of the world is by definition ignorant of data privacy.
Absolutely.
It doesn't take a genius to understand it, just someone who is not ignorant.
But, by all means, continue to give your data to whoever you want to.
If you aren't ignorant, than you are stupid.
You know the stove is hot and are showing your palm into it. That isn't ignorance.
Most mankind is ignorant to data privacy, and that says nothing to their intellect.
See, you are trying to debate whether the stove top is hot or not.
I'm not going to debate that because its quite apparent what these companies, and by extensions governments, do with this data.
You are allowed to touch a hot stove. You are not allowed to debate whether or not it's hot.
Like I said, touch that stove, knowing it's hot if you want, I can't stop you.
But you don't actually know what code is running on a given lemmy server. Just because the source is open, doesn't mean that any given server is using the reference implementation, admins could be running whatever they want on their backend.
That's why it's imperative that the app which communicates with the server via Lemmy's api, IS open and auditable. That's how we prevent maligned actors from using data they shouldn't have. You can audit what is being sent from an open source app.
Christ, closed source is not the devil, and if you treat it like it is then it shows you don't actually know how open or closed source works, or the pros and cons of both types of software.
Let's break it down this way. Let's look at incentive structure's.
An Open Source application can be forked, and has no incentive to use data in a maligned way.
A closed one can earn tons of money by doing just that.
As I argue with most things, Capitalism is the main issue and it permeates through all facets of life by having backwards incentive structures
God forbid a developer wants to own the code they write and be able to pay their bills doing it.
A fork "can be used" to stab someone in the jugular but it doesn't mean we need to get rid of all forks to ensure it never happens. People need to be smart with who they trust and who they give their money to. LJ isn't putting a gun to your head and forcing you to buy his app, but I'm gladly paying for it because I feel like he's an upstanding guy and frankly he's just better at building a good UI than anyone else on Lemmy (and yes, I've tried at least 5 different apps. Second best was Connect.)
I would rather not normalize software that looks and works like a high school project made by someone who doesn't know what UI or UX are.
UI UX Can be fixed tho.
You like eating shit?
Closed source enthusiasts sure seem to.