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Education in America is absolute dog shit
It is, but I don't know why. We have the most public funding per full time student in the world....that money's getting lost somewhere, I assume the administration level of schools.
Funding is drastically different from area to area. You go to a rich white area and the schools are top notch.
You go to a poor area with lots of minorities and there is hardly any funding.
The schools that need funding don’t get it. Inequality like most things in America is the reason. It’s by design to keep the poor in their seats.
It is but even title 1 schools get great funding compared to other nations.
It's not that we spend 60k on rich white students and 0 on poor minority students and average 30k/student.
Spending has not correlated with good education, so spending isn't the solution we would hope for.
I agree, schools are the most segregated since we literally had segregation. Our school system, the funding, the demographics and our approach has all been a failure, but the lefts solution is to throw more money at it rather than actually addressing issues.
Ok but it’s pretty clear that lack of budget is correlated to poor education. You have to be disconnected from reality to say it isn’t. That sounds like some conservative talking point to me.
I mean someone that has $0 spent on their education is clearly not going to have enough resources to get a reasonable education, but we're not talking about that, so why even try to argue that?
We spend more than any other country, more than our peer countries by about 34%, yet our education system is crap. So my argument, that you can't just throw money at schools and expect them to get better, is factual.
Saying any criticism about government organizations isn't inherently conservative, it's just reality.
All that money goes to shareholders in the private businesses which are used as contractors in the public school system. Just as with healthcare where Americans pay up to three times as much per capita compared to countries with universal healthcare, it all goes into the pockets of middlemen as profit.
In other comparable countries this doesn't happen because they aren't relying on private contractors, instead they have more money actually going to education than the US.
What private contractors are taking up the school funding? If that's true, sounds like a fundamental problem with our education system, that throwing more money at the problem won't solve.
McGraw Hill, Pearson, Scholastic, Houghton Mifflin, etc...
Show me a school in a poor area that out performs schools in rich areas.
I think you’re the type that is happy to defund schools because you think it has no impact on education quality. A conservative view point.
You want me to pick two schools in the whole united states to compare their demographics and if the lower income school does better it proves my point?
How bout this, I've shown proof and a source that shows how much we're spending in schools and how much other countries are spending, all provided by the OECD, a very reliable organization.
How about you provide any source showing that with low income schools we don't provide the funding per full time student comparable to other countries, and/or that education proficiency is directly related to spending.
Once again, you're thinking is wrong. I explained to you exactly what the OECD said - that we spend more per FTE than any of our peer countries, and by a substantial amount. Did I say I wanted to defund schools? No, I said that we can't keep throwing money at the system and expect it to be fixed. See this is what you do, you don't have any sources, statistics or any information, you just think any criticism of a government organization is a 'conservative viewpoint' and therefore baseless.
I provided sources to back up my claim, you should do the same or I don't want to waste time on you.
No I’m not wasting my time on someone that thinks defunding education is a good idea. Don’t you have a trump rally to be at?
Hahaha see exactly, I can provide as much information on the topic about how we spend so much money per student in our country, and our peer countries are spending 30% less but having better results, from a reliable, liberal approved OECD.
You're being willingly ignorant, you refuse to accept facts from reliable international organizations because you refuse to acknowledge that the way the left wants to deal with the problem doesn't make sense.
You say 'no we need more funding! Shut up you're wrong, you're saying something that may have some sort of conservative leaning! You hate kids'
You provide no information of why people should believe your stance. What are you doing man? Look into issues and try to understand them before you spout off about shit you don't know. Whenever you talk trash about how the MAGA folk just follow their leader and don't look into issues or understand reliable sources, you're talking trash about yourself, too.
You’re ranting like a clown. As I said I am not wasting my time on someone who thinks defunding education is a brilliant move. Go piss up a rope
Trying to back up your statements with evidence from respectable international organizations.
Come on man, why even try to argue your point if you aren't going to put forth a solid argument? You're rage quitting because you can't back up your false statements.
So other countries have socialized education, and they manage to have better results than our for-profit education system, and that somehow proves that our schools suck and should receive less funding, even though our schools have corporations sucking most of the money out of the system?
What countries are you talking about, and how is our education system for profit?
No, our education system is majorly public, 90% of kids attend public school. Public schools are incredibly well funded, much better than any of our peer countries, yet our system sucks. So yeah, I want to rebuild it, or try different methods, because what the left is doing with the system isn't working.
What are you talking about? Based on the several inaccuracies of your 2 sentence comment, you are either malicious, confused or just incredibly unknowledgeable.