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The share of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who believe that President Joe Biden’s 2020 election win was not legitimate has ticked back up, according to a new CNN poll fielded throughout July. All told, 69% of Republicans and Republican-leaners say Biden’s win was not legitimate, up from 63% earlier this year and through last fall, even as there is no evidence of election fraud that would have altered the outcome of the contest.

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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 213 points 1 year ago

The really shocking thing here is that 31% of Republicans are still aware of reality enough to understand that Biden won legitimately.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 140 points 1 year ago

Like 70% also believe angels are real...

Apparently decades of No Child Left Behind and removing critical thinking from public education did what republicans wanted it to do

[-] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

You're assuming they actually believe what they are saying and are arguing in good faith. That hasn't been in the Republican playbook since at least Nixon.

[-] manillaface@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago

Not to defend No Child Left Behind but it was only a 2002 law, the majority of these people are too old to have been in school since its passage.

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[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Doesn't help that they are allowing Trump to run around the country to continue to say he was cheated and that the election was stolen. They are literally waiting until next year to even put him on trial.

Plenty of time for him to cause as much harm as possible.

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Those 30% will still vote R, even after knowing that they have been lied to by the republicans.

When republicans voters call others “cucks”, you know it’s all a projection.

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[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 102 points 1 year ago

now do the % of repubs who think the earth is 5,000 years old. or the % that think russia is our ally.

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 93 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Republican Party has become a doctrinaire anti-American organization; wholly subservient to the international fascist movement.

Why would any loyal American patriot be a member of it?


The Republicans stand against what America actually is.

The USA is a multicultural society. The Republicans are against that.

The USA is a leader in science; including the understanding of our planet's climate. The Republicans are against that.

The USA is loyal to its international allies. The Republicans are against that.

The USA is committed to freedom of speech and of the press. The Republicans are against that.

The USA is a leader in technology; including the development of clean energy. The Republicans are against that.

The USA is a secular society, in which people of different religions can meet as equals in the marketplace of ideas. The Republicans are against that.

The USA is a capitalist economy; in which businesses may prosper without having to bend the knee to leaders' personality-cults or their ideological doctrine. The Republicans are against that.

The USA is an educated society; with free schooling for all, and with some of the best universities in the world. The Republicans are against that.

In all of these ways, the Republicans have endorsed anti-Americanism — opposition to what the USA actually is, its actual strengths and virtues.

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[-] TheBlue22@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago

This just in: republicans are fucking insane

If you are a republican in this day and age, given ALL the shit they have done and what they stand for, you are either stupid, evil or both

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[-] Vlhacs@reddthat.com 62 points 1 year ago

Republican voters are a different breed. Even with enough evidence to prove Russia was interfering with the 2016 election, Democrats still mostly accepted the win. With even less evidence of any fraud in the 2020 election, the majority of Republicans deny Biden's legitimacy.

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

With ZERO evidence. Not "Even less". There was ZERO evidence of fraud by the Biden campaign and democrats.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago

And lots of evidence of Republicans committing fraud in 2020, and still they lost.

[-] mpa92643@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

They take their cues from their politicians who are all cowards. Every Republican politician with even the most basic critical thinking skills understands that Trump did not win and that Trump intentionally broke the law with classified documents.

Instead of acknowledging those facts, they instead are literally willing to destroy Americans' faith in fair elections and the basic rule of law by spewing lies in an effort to prostrate themselves to Donald Trump and his supporters. They have no fundamental principles anymore. They are literally willing to burn the country down to win.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's scary when there's an entire echochamber yelling nonsense at the top of their lungs. How is America supposed to recover with this incessant Fox News and even worse OAN propaganda?

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago

The obvious solution is to outlaw intentionally lying in the guise of a news show. Make FOX etc., have to broadcast a banner that says, "THIS IS NOT FACTUAL NEWS THIS IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY," as they have argued in court.

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[-] MasterObee@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

As a conservative, this is mind boggling to me. In my head I think it's just a far right crazy conspiracy theory, but between this and the huge amount of support trump gets, I'm just baffled. I'm on the west coast, and none of my friends or family still support Trump or are election deniers.

Maybe the mid west republicans are just 100% trumpers? It's wild.

[-] xycu@programming.dev 26 points 1 year ago

Maybe the mid west republicans are just 100% trumpers? It's wild.

MAGA is basically like a religion out here. They avoid any information that contradicts their belief system and gravitate towards media that reaffirms it. The constant drumbeat of whataboutism coming from trump, fox news, AM radio, etc really has poisoned their brains. Support of trump, embrace of his lies, and hatred of his "enemies", has become their entire identity.

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[-] scripthook@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Remember the 2000 election? That was a close one. One county in one state with a 500 vote difference. 2020 were 5 states with 10k votes in Arizona to 180k votes in Pennsylvania to Biden. If they pulled 13k votes for out of Trump’s ass for AZ and GA he would of still would of lost the election. They key to the White House is the rust belt. Republicans are too dumb to understand this.

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[-] Gnubyte@lemdit.com 46 points 1 year ago

Yeah I'm telling you. There is an older crowd that it doesn't matter what you say to them, they run on hate and they've been given a lot of fuel.

[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 43 points 1 year ago

So, 69% of Republicans are traitors to the Republic. That's what I'm hearing.

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[-] MossBear@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

Can we call them neo-confederates already?

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[-] kemsat@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

This doesn’t mean much when large swaths of them believe the earth is flat, the moon landing was faked, slavery helped black people, etc. Asking them their opinions on reality is like asking an amoeba how it feels about NFTs. The levels of insane & stupid coming from these people just means their thoughts & opinions are irrelevant.

[-] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

They may be insane, but they're insane AND active voters. They're also heavily armed.

[-] III@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

While their thoughts and opinions are irrelevant their votes are absolutely relevant. Their susceptibility to basic, low-effort manipulation can unfortunately affect us all.

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[-] BitOneZero@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

It's a variety of topics I find denial of reality to be increasing. Climate change science, including the history of how long ago people like Carl Sagan made it a widespread topic. Medical science with pandemics, nonsensical views on how vaccines work. Wild views about how windmills work and interact with the environment.

[-] solstice@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I was driving through rural Trump country not long ago and saw a billboard that had that iconic image of Man evolving from our ape-like ancestors. The billboard had a big red X through it and said No! God created!

That broke me. Literally broke me. Really helped me understand their response to covid and climate change et al. God help us when the next pandemic hits when permafrost in the arctic starts melting and releases all kind of microorganisms humans have never encountered before. Good luck fighting climate change when 40% of the country thinks evolution is a lie and god just went 'click'.

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[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

The same people believe an imaginary being lives in the sky, that aliens are always visiting Earth, and that dinosaurs never existed.

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[-] TwoGems@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

These people are just entitled babies. They know Trump didn't win, but it feels good feelings to pretend that he did so back to the social media that reinforces that.

We need to stop caring about their delusional indulgence in non-reality and start getting the country back on track. Never vote for a single Republican again. I don't care if you're a moderate even - there is no safe Republican candidate for a long while, if ever.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 24 points 1 year ago

THEY KNOW TRUMP LOST

It's charitable to call them babies. They're liars.

How do they want to change elections? Are they asking for more election security? NO. They're calling to raise the voting age to 25.

They know they can't win a fair election. They don't want a fair election. They will throw out Democracy for power. They won't ever admit it, so they lie, and they recognize their in-group when they see other liars.

[-] MercuryUprising@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

They are aggressively stupid. They would rather take the whole ship down with them, than admit they might be wrong.

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[-] GrimChaos@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

That's an insane number for something they have zero evidence for.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Makes you wonder how many are religious.

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[-] NukaRaider20@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago

It's really just insane many Republicans believe this lie still. Even if Trump goes to jail there will still be many Republicans thinking this

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[-] CoffeeAddict@artemis.camp 30 points 1 year ago

Does anybody else hope (emphasis on hope lol) they’re just saying this out of spite? Perhaps they know he lost, and are just saying this because they know it will “piss off the libs?”

Maybe it’s naive, but while I am pretty liberal a-lot of my family is (unfortunately) republican and they all admit Trump lost, fair and square. They also say they’re sick of him, wish he would drop out of the race, and allow another, younger republican to be nominated. They’ve also not been contacted by any of these pollsters.

Admittedly, this is just my experience with a very narrow slice of republicans; outside my family, I don’t really interact with too many.

Thoughts? Am I just fortunate to not have to interact with the Trump cult on a daily basis? Or is the US just screwed? lol

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[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Republicans just projecting their own "the ends always justify the means" mindset onto their enemies.

They just refuse to understand that they're the ones willing to sacrifice any and all values in the name of pyrrhic victory, and that not everyone is as morally bankrupt as them.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.one 27 points 1 year ago

The rational Republicans left the party ages ago. Pretty sure George Will closed the door behind him on the way out.

When was that? 2016?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Will#:~:text=In%20June%202016%2C%20citing%20his,registered%20as%20an%20unaffiliated%20voter.

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

They're conditioned now to think any win by a member of the Democratic party is illegitimate. It's going to be decades before we get back to anything resembling normal.

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[-] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For Millennial's it's wild to have had our parents tell us "TV will rot your brain" and "don't just trust anything you see online" to them now where cable news has turned their brains to goo and anything posted by some guy in a truck wearing sun glasses on Facebook Reels must be reality.

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[-] shadowspirit@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Troll farms wouldn't be a thing if they weren't effective. Social media has poisoned a lot of minds. I am in my mid-40s and grew up in NE Texas which is part of the "Deep South" (assign to that what you will) and in my lifetime I've seen things that would just not be possible if it were not for the internet.

"Back in my day..." Reading the newspaper was more than sufficient. There were no (edit: few and/or less easily manifest beyond a 'google search') collective hive minds and echo chambers so you had to actually express and own an opinion. I was taught that "this is what Science tells us how God put into motion the universe" We didn't need concealed or open carry to feel safe.

I'm not really that old. I honestly think most of this crap is 9/11. The terrorists actually won. Fear. There is a culture of fear pervading the USA and international troll farms took root and we continue to deal with the fallout today. Not to get too deep into the weeds .. dwindling middle class but .. who gives a shit .. capitalism. When you can't provide for your family on a base wage .. shit is going to go sideways.

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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The thoughts of a conservative should be treated the same way the thoughts of a five year old child are treated.

Discussing any topic with a conservative is a waste of time for both parties. Every word uttered by a conservative is deception, manipulation or innacurate. Nothing good comes from interacting with them. Nothing at all. They should be disregarded and shunned from polite society.

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Don't believe polling on either side, get out and vote.

[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

That Russian propaganda really coming back strong. They need Trump back in to get some kind of upper hand in Ukraine.

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[-] knobbysideup@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

Propaganda works on stupid people. There's a whole lotta stupid in this country.

How about we do something about the big propaganda networks and 24x7 "news" channels that are more interested in ratings and entertainment than simply reporting. No more talking heads.

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