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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago

What’s the new reason for why only Joe can be the candidate now?

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago

Newsweek sucks and doesn't even link this new wonderous poll. There's your reason.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

So...

If I link you the poll, I'll get to hear the new reason?

In the interest of speeding this along:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-age-campaign-poll/story?id=111825221

That links to the pdf.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

So first off:

As the horse race shows, those views may not be determinative. Biden's job approval rating is stable, albeit at a weak 36%. Though neither is broadly popular, Biden continues to have a better personal favorability rating than Trump. And Biden leads Trump by 17 points, 39%-22%, in being seen as more honest and trustworthy, essentially unchanged from the spring.

What these polls focus on determines their outcome. People think Biden is more trustworthy than Trump. Which is a good thing I guess.

Second:

Were Vice President Kamala Harris to replace Biden as the Democratic nominee, vote choices are 49-46%, Harris-Trump, among all adults (and 49-47% among registered voters). Harris’ 49% is slightly better than Biden’s 46%, although she doesn’t have a statistically significant lead over Trump.

They claim she has no statistical lead. So are we just pussy footing around here yelling at each other? She's the VP anyway, at 81 Biden has a high fucken chance of not serving the whole term. Not that I'm advocating for that. But the last time we did this, again I'll reiterate, we fucking lost dude. People dont like swapping candidates this late, it creates uncertainty. Which, could consume Harris's entire nonstatistical lead. I'm down with whatever, I'll vote D. But that doesn't mean I won't say shit when we are repeating history again either way we slice it.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago

But the last time we did this, again I’ll reiterate, we fucking lost dude

The last time we ran an incumbent like Biden, we fucking list dude.

That's what you're not understanding.

Everything we normally go off of, says Biden will lose.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Barack didn't lose my guy. That was the last incumbent we ran.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The last time we ran an incumbent like Biden,

An incumbent like Biden

#AN INCUMBENT LIKE BIDEN

not just "an incumbent"...

Biden has a 34% approval rating and the first incumbent since Jimmy Carter to not sweep his party's primary...

That's what you're not getting.

You think if we replace him. It means we'll lose because we replaced a candidate before and lost.

But if you want an incumbent similar to Biden...

Damn near everything lines up with Jimmy Carter.

What can you tell the class about Jimmy Carter's second term in office?

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

This argument is useless. I'm voting D. If you want to run around and scream until your head falls off that Biden needs to go then so be it. All your doing is sowing division. I'm getting it. I'm getting it completely. Switching the candidate this late will make all the swing voters uncertain, it just will. Because we dont have a shining beacon to align behind no matter how much you want Harris or anybody else. Nobody cares about those people, none of them are inspiring.

You're trying to bring up Jimmy Carter's second term for no reason. It doesn't matter because Carter was not attempting to resist a hostile takeover. The only thing that should be happening right now is the FBI jamming itself all the way up every Republican ass for being demostic terrorists. Then we should both, the Rubepublicans and the Democrats, get new candidates and run it. Thats what we deserve. But its not happening. It won't happen for Trump, and Biden would need the donors to cut the ~~dark~~ campaign funds.

But none of that is happening. What is happening is a fascist wannabe dictator will run. Thats a fact. Sensible people will just vote against him and the tipping point will be whether or not we have enough sense left in us to prevail. Enjoy. This is going nowhere and is not constructive.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Sensible people will just vote against him and the tipping point will be whether or not we have enough sense left in us to prevail.

Then we won't lose any votes switching the candidate...

And the most important thing is stopping trump.

So we should switch candidates to get as many votes as possible

Bro this is so simple, I think you can get it

But if you're really ready to give up, just dont reply.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

You just ignored like everything I said. You clearly aren't interested in having a discussion. You just want people to decry Biden for someone with, from your own sources, not a statistical lead. There's nothing to talk about. You aren't interested in my point of view, you just want me to adopt your's with no convincing evidence.

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