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[-] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 36 points 4 months ago

Well if it’s something like a turn radius, they can always claim that they just guessed right.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 30 points 4 months ago

Are they under any obligation to protect the classified information if they're not the ones who leaked it?

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 53 points 4 months ago

Knowingly owning or using classified info without proper clearance is, in fact, a crime.

That’s a large part of what Trump’s classified document raid was for. Former presidents usually have a lot of classified stuff to turn over after leaving office. It’s standard practice, (and perfectly legal) to simply send it back (via the proper channels) as soon as you discover you have it. But if you conceal it and refuse to return it (like Trump did) then that’ll land you in some hot water.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 16 points 4 months ago

It's my understanding that you're only required to protect the information if you've actually agreed to do so, which is obviously a retirement for being given access. Elected officials are a weird area where they have a much easier time getting clearance, but they've still made agreements to protect the information.

Trump was authorized to handle classified information in the first place, which is why his mishandling was a problem. I haven't read the actual law, but I'm pretty sure ordinary people who happen across classified information have no duty at all in any direction. If you can show me an example of a random person getting in trouble for sharing classified information that they didn't steal or get others to steal, well, let me know.

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 4 months ago

So, hypothetically, you find a source who leaks data to you, then claim you were sent it anonymously, then all good, you're not the one who leaked it and the source is unknown. I slightly doubt that it works that way, but I don't have specific cases to prove it

[-] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 0 points 4 months ago

No case exists that can't exist

[-] jimbolauski@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

Publishing classified info can get you espionage charges, just ask Julian Assange.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

What hot water has it landed Trump in?

[-] No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

None, because Trump deployed an appropriately-speced Cannon as a countermeasure.

Edit: Cannon is extremely effective countermeasure, wow.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

AFAIK it's part of being given some clearance. In most Western countries it's fine to republish already leaked material as a private citizen. How would the media do it otherwise?

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

No, his problem is that he was supposed to have access at some point wherein you agree to secure documents in certain ways. If you're given it or find it you do not have that duty. Defense secrets are much more protected but still not that much of you aren't supposed to have access.

[-] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 16 points 4 months ago

No. You can publish it if you like. This is how journalists work. You cannot get someone to commit a crime towards getting classified documents (Assange tried to teach people to hack shit and pled guilty to this). But accepting them and publishing them is fine and good.

[-] SLfgb@feddit.nl 8 points 4 months ago

That is not what Assange plead guilty to whatsoever.

[-] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 5 points 4 months ago

“He pleaded guilty to conspiring to unlawfully obtain and disseminate classified information relating to the national defense of the United States” - https://apnews.com/article/assange-wikileaks-plea-deal-39b72e6be6a775dae9b008728a46e595

[-] SLfgb@feddit.nl 1 points 4 months ago

yea, not to teaching people how to hack...

[-] SLfgb@feddit.nl 3 points 4 months ago

obtaining and disseminating classified information is called investigative journalism...

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 5 points 4 months ago

While they are, as stated by another commenter, I wonder if those documents count as working in intelligence and they have some External Security Colonel working on "moderation"

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