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submitted 5 months ago by mozz@mbin.grits.dev to c/politics@lemmy.world

I hate that this is the debate we’re having now

I also hate that I’m feeding into the NYT’s lazy and transparent attempt to undo their previous partisanship with new opposite partisanship like those two things cancel out and add up to journalism

But what the hell, if that’s where we’re at, this is a relevant data point about the landscape

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[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

I understand that a lot of people still think Biden is the best foot forward, but he's losing right now and nobody has been able to even give me an outline of how that could get turned around. I can think of no realistic strategy for getting the concerns around his mental fitness to go away.

You only flip the board when you're losing, and we're losing. Yes, switching candidates is a risk, but polls suggest it's a viable, calculated one.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

he's losing right now

He's not. He's in a statistical tie in the polls, even when looking at swing states. And that assumes the polls are accurate.

Just yesterday I got a text message to "take a poll". I'm not clicking on any link texted to me, so I won't show up in any of those polls. Also, I don't pick up any numbers that I don't know. They're 90% scams and the rest are wrong numbers.

There's no way for a pollster to get my opinion because they rely on methods from last century.

[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

I hope you're right, but if the margin between the polls and election day is similar to how it was in 2016 and 2020 then Biden is about to get blown out.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

I can think of no realistic strategy for getting the concerns around his mental fitness to go away.

Ranked Choice voting would give people more options, giving us more chances to beat trump.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

but he’s losing right now

Nope.

[-] Wrench@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I think that's a fair opinion that I just disagree with. Right now, we're in a very awkward situation that doesn't have much precedent to rely on, so no one really has much to rely on besides their instincts in public opinion, which is extremely unreliable.

I'll say that I personally disregard polling out of hand because I personally find it extremely unreliable, even when the polls are conducted with the intent of impartiality. When I also don't believe is commonly the case.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

that doesn’t have much precedent to rely on,

Oh we do have enough precedent: Donald Trump as a president.

I'll vote for a potato if it's our only choice to keep that deplorable from stepping into the WH again.

[-] Wrench@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I meant about dropping the presumptive nominee last minute when there wasn't a real primary to have a 2nd place with momentum to fallback on

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

I know what you meant. My point is that we don't need to have a precedent for a scenario that will clearly fail. I don't like Biden. I'd prefer Bernie. But at this point, if he drops the race (which he won't), Trump will win. And screw that.

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