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If law enforcement sees a guy on a rooftop with a gun threatening a crowd of people, though, that's an acceptable situation for "shoot first, ask questions later". That shot that killed the guy probably saved other lives.
Non-lethal shots are a possibility.
They also allow people to keep shooting.
That is some Hollywood shit, in real life you shoot until the threat is neutralized, it could have been another las vegas
Yes, one of the rules of gun safety is that you don't point your gun at anything you don't intend to kill.
They usually don't. See: Europe.
Ok, well you feel free to try and wound someone in that situation if you’re ever in it, hopefully no one else dies because of it.
I wouldn't have a gun, so nah.
There you go then
No one in the history of actual combat shooting is taught to take non lethal shots. Ever.
Idk what your talking about. You shoot the gun out of the hand. Then you shoot the hat off for intimidation and the somewhere nearby you shoot the rope of someone getting hanged to free them to kinda balance things out. This is all common sense.
I cannot argue with your rootin' tootin' shootin' logic.
You’re right, let’s go get some spaghetti!
What do you mean with combat shooting? Because here in Finland police is trained to (and required by law) to try to minimize the damage and if possible, to stop someone without killing them, usually by shooting at the legs etc. But that's more for knife fielding attacker and other situation where such shots are more possible and not when the cops or others are being shot at
I mean US military and police training.
Ah, then I can believe that such measures aren't taught or used
This isn't the military. You said no one, which is not true.
There was an era where some cops were trained to shoot at limbs but even cops knew to ignore that shit.
It's the normal procedure here in Finland to try to take someone down with shooting in the legs or somewhere else that they might survive from. Not the case if they start shooting of course, it's more for situation where they're wielding a knife and coming for the cop or someone else
Right, and that's nonsense, people suck at aiming when they're scared.
Seems to work here. They have to go through a lot of training.
Just as well it's not just "people", it's the trained and armed police. Same happens in the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby
Combat shooting? It's not a warzone. Come to Europe, mate.
Non-lethal shots are a fantasy.
You have plenty of blood vessels in your limbs and it is very easy to bleed out via the femoral artery or whatever else. This is literally why tourniquets exist
Assuming it is an actual threat and not a black kid with a toy train: Shoot to kill and then, when it is safe, have EMTs try to keep them alive.
Not in the real world they're not.
If you're standing 20 feet in front of the guy, yes. If your only shot is across a field from one rooftop to another, you have much less control over where the bullet hits.
At those distances (200-300 meters going by the map i saw) with professional shooters they can put multiple rounds inside of a spot the size of a dime. That isn’t the point though, you shoot to kill in those situations. Non lethal shots are hollywood shit.
Or what happens in places outside of the US.
Is that what happened?
They're less lethal, not non lethal, and they're frequently used as an excuse to escalate violence needlessly. I'm very critical of the use of their use of force and would generally prefer police to be unarmed, but this is not a situation where I have any complaints. That threat needed to be neutralized as quickly and effectively as possible. Overwhelming force was the best way to do that.
Was overwhelming force used? It sounded like one person going up a ladder and retreating, before the guy got shot(s) away.