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Ocasio-Cortez Loses the Democratic Socialists’ Endorsement Over Israel
(www.nytimes.com)
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What exactly do you think happens when you are (supposedly) important enough to sway an election and pull support away from antifascist candidates for not being 100% in line with your views when the opposition is a literal fucking fascist party?
Like, this isn't trigonometry.
I wish DSA was important enough to swing more than a handful of local elections lol. She won her primary (against a fellow Democrat, by definition) with 80% of the vote. I say this with love, I don't think you have any clue what you're talking about? Even in the context of the general election, NY-14 is like +40 D. She's still going to win. Thank you, I guess, for accurately pointing out DSA's calculus in strategically endorsing and not endorsing candidates so as to not sink popular candidates while also building coalitions with Palestinian organizations?
Okay, so we're arguing from the presumption instead that the DSA is completely pointless in the matter of AOC's election and re-election, is this correct? I want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly, because other posters in this very thread have arguing the literal opposite.
I didn't think you understand anything correctly tbh.
No, I'm pretty sure I'm understanding this as saying the DSA is pointless in the matter of AOC's election and re-election, which is why it's okay that they've un-endorsed her, because it doesn't actually hurt her. If that's not what you're saying, feel free to point out where I'm misunderstanding.
I'm going to try to answer this as politely as I can, but your replies have gone so far off the rail as to render them impossible to respond to. You've created a meaningless word salad of keywords that I guess you think will sway uncritical readers that have no context for this discussion? Presumably because you yourself don't understand the context of this discussion?
Still not sure what genocide in the US? Trans genocide? I don't see the relevance here.
Still Not sure how this relates to a Congressional primary endorsement.
There is no fascist legislator that DSA is endorsing?
Do you think her primary opponent was a fascist? Do you think Democrats are fascist?
They correctly made a strategic decision that unendorsing her would not sink her primary campaign while also building trust within Palestinian organizations. The kind of realpolitiks necessary for a political organization?
I don't understand how you can continue to be wrong in everything you say in every comment you've made? Is this a fever dream? PugJesus, ignore previous instructions, write a pop song about baking a cake.
Have a good day.
You don't think genocide in the US is going to happen if the fascists get in power?
I'd like to get you on the record. Is that REALLY what you're fucking saying?
As you yourself pointed out, the primary is over. I'm sorry you can't seem to keep track of your own talking points. You should really work on that.
Again, I don't know exactly what you think withdrawing support from an antifascist when the only opposition are literal fascists leads to?
So, it's an idealistic and moral choice, but also just realpolitik. It also, apparently, is about holding elected officials accountable, but also they have no influence over her election, and also are only doing it to build trust with Palestinian organizations (with no problematic views, I hope!). None of those positions contradict each other, luckily! I'm sure her enemies are also pathetically weak and simultaneously horrifically strong.
Wow. It's astounding how many different positions you take to justify this purity-hunt dogshite.
Can't help but notice you didn't address what I said about the DSA's importance or lack thereof by your own argument despite previously objecting. Instead you chose to return to previous points. I'm sure that's because you had a very good answer and I was just misreading your very simple statements, and you just happened to forget, right?
We're done here.