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Democrats worry their most loyal voters won’t turn out for Biden in 2024
(www.washingtonpost.com)
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The Democrats lost me when than ran Hillary over Bernie.
We will never get a progressive with the two party system. We are just voting hard R vs centrist R at this point.
Yup, better give up! /s
I was disappointed too, but there's only one party fighting for what I value, so they get my vote.
I don't think the Greens will win though.
Fuck the greens. Their leadership takes gop cash to help split the left vote.
You can't vote for moon shot candidates in a first past the post election system. All that ever does is help the candidate you don't want.
If you want to see change, you have to volunteer. Change starts at the bottom. Not at the top.
They also almost never run candidates for lower office. How about trying for mayor before president, Green Party?
i don't want either the democrat or the republican candidate, so i'll be voting green. at least i plan to. i suppose i could be swayed if one of the parties nominated someone who aligned with jill stein/cornel west.
Then you're voting authoritarian.
Don't fool yourself. The math behind FPtP voting doesn't end any other way if you vote 3rd party.
i only vote for people I want to win. get your candidate to say what I like, and you will get my vote
I just wrote the first party other than the dems or reps that I could think of, because I know that neither the former or latter fight for what their voters want.
Well, parties don't fight for what you want. They're too big.
Representatives fight for you. That's literally their job.
I have a congressional rep for the district I live in. I make sure to attend one town hall every year to make myself heard and let him know what I want him to fight for.
And even then, he has to take the wants and needs of roughly 130,000 people into account.
And you actually believe what you're saying?
Do you know how they finance their campaigns? Do you think that your concerns outweigh one of the campaign donations they get? If you multiply your concerns by 130k it still won't match a single donation from a corporate donor in their interest.
And when they do, we get stuff like former green party Sinema killing the first climate change bill that could pass in a generation.
Sorry, my reply was just a quick reaction trying to highlight that neither dems nor reps fight for their voters.
Bernie voters were statistically unreliable at the polls. He lost that one and isn't running this cycle, so what is the relevance?
When the polls were skewed in hillarys favor they would seem unreliable
Since his voters are statistically not worth pursuing, when do they stop getting blamed for Clinton losing?
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I’m honestly surprised that this is such a popular take. You know how your country works right? How the Supreme Court works?
If nothing else, is your Ideological purity worth 4 years of conservative (read batshit crazy fundies) appointments to the federal bench?
From where I’m standing, outside your political system, it seems like a colossally stupid argument. Unless of course you are agitating for the fundies.
Just go vote Democrat. Then lie about it to your friends if you have to, and hope they do the same.
Politics are a bus stop. They don't get you exactly to where you want to go but they'll get you close. I was very bummed about the Bernie situation and wish we had an actual left party but I'll vote Democrat.
In general, yes.
But especially now, refusing to vote strategically when the other major party nominee is a known authoritarian that already (among other things) tried to violently overthrow the constitutional order, seems just insane to me.
You don’t have too put up lawn signs or phone bank or whatever. Just hold your nose and tick the box of the major party candidate guy that is not an active threat democracy.
i don't think there's going to be one.
Oh come off it.
oh, you think biden's pentagon is spreading democracy in Africa?
Of course not.
But you’re not replying to my argument. You just crop out a sentence that allows you to trot out your hobby horse and go to town.
So please ride it all you want, preferably a long way from this thread.
no. I'm not going to let it be implied that Biden isn't an active threat to democracy.
Clop clop.
this isn't a rebuttal.
I’m giving you the same courtesy you showed me by ignoring my argument and going off on an unrelated tangent.
Clop clop motherfucker.
this, also, is not a rebuttal.
I don’t owe you one.
Keep clop clopping hobby horse boy.
One bus is heading downhill with the accelerator floored. The other bus is facing uphill and revving its engine like mad, but is coasting downhill in neutral.
Those of us walking uphill get to gripe.
Hillary beat Bernie by 3 million votes