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Nearly two-thirds of Democrats say President Joe Biden should withdraw from the presidential race and let his party nominate a different candidate, according to a new poll, sharply undercutting his post-debate claim that “average Democrats” are still with him even if some “big names” are turning on him.

The new survey by the AP-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, conducted as Biden works to salvage his candidacy two weeks after his debate flop, also found that only about 3 in 10 Democrats are extremely or very confident that he has the mental capability to serve effectively as president, down slightly from 40% in an AP-NORC poll in February.

The findings underscore the challenges the 81-year-old president faces as he tries to silence calls from within his own party to leave the race and tries to convince Democrats that he’s the best candidate to defeat Donald Trump. The poll was conducted mostly before Saturday’s assassination attempt on Trump at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania. It’s unclear whether the shooting influenced people’s views of Biden, but the small number of poll interviews completed after the shooting provided no early indication that his prospects improved.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They wanted Joe to not run again in the first place, and for the DNC to nominate someone else

Nope.

We wanted fair and open primaries were progressive leaning states didn't have their delegates stolen and every state gets a chance to vote before it's over rather than 4-5 states handpicked by the DNC because they vote moderate.

That increases turnout in the general.

What happened was undemocratic and depresses turnout helping Republicans

The main difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is then Biden isn’t a raging narcissist

If Biden wasn't a narcissist he'd put the safety of the country over his own ambition to stay in the White House after it took 36 years to get the big chair.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

Biden implemented many progressive ideas, this is why "left" media (owned by billionaires) are actually attacking him.

Even Bernie is for not replacing him.

The whole campaign to replace him feels very astroturfed and is based on the first debate ignoring everything else.

[-] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 4 months ago

Progressives have not abandoned Biden because Biden has basically promised them whatever the fuck they want for the next administration so long as they stand behind him. Even AOC is saying she’s with Biden.

I’m not even mad. I would consider taking that gamble as well. But the Biden administration knows that if the progressive wing of the party truly leaves them they are fucked

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Right…just like he promised Elizabeth Warren a cabinet spot if she dropped out of the 2020 primary and backed him instead of Bernie.

I couldn’t disagree with your last sentiment more. If there’s one last bastion of bipartisan compromise in this country, it’s to work together to keep progressive leftists out of office at all costs, because they are the only true threat to the massive amount of capital that’s been stolen by the ruling class over the past 40 years.

[-] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 4 months ago

If you are a progressive democrat in the house you sure as shit are going to try to get the president to owe your bloc. That’s politics man. Can’t say I love it but it at least makes sense

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Yeah I’m not arguing that, you’re right. I just don’t think they’re effectively using their leverage.

That said, their hands are tied for now, because if any of them said anything at all about Biden stepping down before it actually happens, the entire narrative would shift to “progressives undermine Dem chances, it’s all their fault.” Establishment dems are so eager to learn the wrong lessons in these situations…conveniently allowing them to never have to evolve their politics.

[-] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah no kidding re: establishment learning the wrong lessons

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

Yes then they did the math on Senate votes and realized they need Liz and Bernie to stay put to have any shot at taking control from McConnell.

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Those seats would have been filled by republicans?!?! lol k.

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

Massachusetts isn't as safely blue as people assume. Bernie in the Senate is far more helpful than having a cabinet roll.

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago

Bernie was going to be the presidential nominee. Cabinet positions got offered for other progressives to back Biden instead of him once they dropped out, thus securing Biden the win.

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago

Sure keep crying about Bernie getting sabotaged.

Biden stomped Liz in Maine and Massachusetts. Also beat Bernie by a decent amount.Then beat Bernie by a lot in Michigan and Wisconsin. Two critical swing states. That was the moment people realized Biden had the wider appeal and better shot.

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The whole campaign to replace him feels very astroturfed and is based on the first debate ignoring everything else.

I wouldn't say it's astroturfed when people like Adam Schiff are calling on Biden to step aside. I also wouldn't say it's just about the debate as Biden has met with people in congress to try and persuade them that he's the guy and they've come away less than impressed after those meetings.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

That's how astroturfing works though. You create false narrative like everyone thinks that until people join through a bandwagon effect.

I was watching the debate and my takeaway was it was a horrible debate, moderators did a horrible job, trump was energetic but was just rambling (especially in the 2nd half), and completely ignored questions asked. Biden was anemic, made some blunders, but at least made sense.

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

By your definition pretty much everything could be described as astroturfing. I also don't think it's accurate to describe this as a "false narrative" either, you're into "don't believe your lying eyes" territory.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Not everything, astroturfing is creating a fake grassroot movement. This was purely manufactured by media (including left leaning ones) whose owners fear Biden pro middle class policies. They know that Biden doesn't have anything to lose when implementing them like for example tax increases for people making $400,000+. Other, younger candidates are more likely to be more mendable.

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I think you're gaslighting a little. Why try and tell people their impression of Biden's debate performance and NATO press conference isn't genuine and instead is "purely manufactured by media"?

That's just not accurate. I know what I saw.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I know what I saw and was surprised by the media coverage, because that was not my impression. I even remember early polls for example one showing that actually he got a good response among Spanish voters.

It also shows this was manufactured as the media completely ignored (very anticipated, as it supposed to unmask "democratic pedophiles") Epstein files.

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

It was a disaster, an absolutely terrible performance. I don't know what else to tell you.

If you disagree, that's fine but I'd love to know what constitutes a terrible debate performance in your world if you thought that was OK.

[-] Djtecha@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

I watched the whole debate. It was very painful to watch. Biden barely could finish sentences and trump lied everytime he opened his mouth. Then they started going off about golfing scores. It completely sucked.

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