201
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 18 Jul 2024
201 points (84.3% liked)
News
23282 readers
3784 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Plan would be simple. Resign from the Presidency for health and personal reasons. This would immediately promote Harris to the Presidency, who could inherit the campaign cash and pledged delegates, and begin to sharply campaign on continuing the Biden legacy and attacking Trump with every skill at her disposal.
Wouldn't be perfect, but it'd avoid a big, chaotic, inter-party fight with no prep time, and would preserve the sense of incumbency. Harris could even pick an actual progressive as her running mate, maybe a Katie Porter, and help shore up some support on that flank as she fights for the moderates.
Not a great nor necessary plan.
There's no way for Harris to appoint and get confirmed a replacement vice president, and it would be impossible anyway because replacing the vacant VP slot requires a majority of both the House and Senate.
Becoming President in this case is by the Constitution. It's the law, it's how our government works.
Becoming the nominee is internal political party, legally private non-governmental business.
What does work, whether or not one wants Harris as the new nominee, is this:
Biden drops out as the Democratic nominee for President, while remaining in office as President saying he must put all his energy and attention into governing these remaining months.
Then,
IF the party wants Harris. Harris aggressively campaigns to be President ELSE
Harris states she has to put all her energy and attention into helping Biden govern so will not accept a nomination.
Open convention occurs, but likely with a lot of prior discussion and alignment towards one or two best candidate.
Face saving all around
That happens if Biden slips and falls in the bath tube, too. Its not an argument for keeping him at the top of the ticket.
No that is not what happens. I'm not arguing to keep him at the top of the ticket. Exactly the opposite: I'm arguing to drop him from the not yet official ticket, but for him to stay on as president until his term ends. That keeps Johnson still only second-in-line for the presidency, with Harris still first-in-line.
If Biden (referring to his governmental role as the current President) dies, Vice President Kamala Harris immediately becomes President.
Whereas referring to his nongovernmental role once (IF) he becomes the official nominee of the Democratic Party, nobody is automatically elevated to be the new nominee of the party. If it's before the election, the executive board of the DNC determines the new nominee. Harris would very likely become the official nominee, but that's not their only choice.
But Biden is not yet the official nominee no matter how many times he and his supporters say he is. He is only the presumptive nominee. So if he died, was incapacitated, or dropped out as a candidate for the nomination now, before the convention roll call, it becomes essentially an open convention and the nominee is chosen the way it used to be, by the convention. Which might take multiple roll calls, behind the scenes favors trading, and all sorts of "fun" drama.
In none of those cases is Speaker of the House Johnson elevated to anything.
Dems control the Senate. For the House, would just need a couple repubs to flip. Otherwise it would have to be left vacant I suppose. Mike Johnson being next in line does not worry me.
Correct, Harris would not automatically become the dem nominee. However, assuming Biden's chosen delegates are loyal to him, I think it's reasonable to guess they would honor his chosen successor and voluntarily vote according to his wishes.
A convention is a possibility, and I'm not completely against it. It complicates matters severely though, and not for very significant gain since citizens can't really vote again in such a short timeframe.
A couple of Republicans flipping to replace a Republican VP? That would absolutely never happen. Ever. This is less likely than the Sun rising in the West.
Yeah, you're probably right. Leave it vacant then.
Most people really don't like Harris though. Keeping Biden is the better option at this point... The Dems have just royally fucked everyone by playing this "emperor's new clothes" game with Bidens dementia.
Yeah, she's far from perfect. But, it's better than a big, chaotic, unprecedented free-for-all. Everyone was expecting 4 more years of this administration anyway.
Closed conventions weren't the worst. I'm honestly fine if the DNC were to just pick someone at the convention after backroom conversations. Def too late for there to be any sort of election. I'm personally hoping Gretchen Whitmer somehow gets the nomination
Yeah, I don't want them to do it that way normally, and I think a mini-primary could generate hype, but this is a unique situation and I can tolerate them doing it not-right to try to respond to a disaster. My expectations for a replacement are very low.
Tbh, I think that Harris is a big ol nothingburger of a candidate. Fox news got conservatives to hate her easy enough for the crime of being a [black, woman] Democrat, but that doesn't mean anything to independents. Harris is disappointing to more libertarian minded and further left folks (like me) because she was kind of a stupidly aggressive DA, but I don't think that really bothers independents either. Harris herself had a middling debate performance in 2020, but still managed to beat the pants off Biden, who appeared DOA on the 2020 primary stage. She's never espoused any especially strong policy positions that I know of, either, besides being another authoritarian centrist.
All of this kind of wraps up into a very boring, plain vanilla candidate, which could well work to the democrats' advantage in this election cycle. Here's my opinion: Harris has several key advantages over Biden.
People are tired of feeling like we're on a cursed timeline, a normal candidate without obvious sundowner's or a serious case of fascism would likely be welcomed. Harris is about as average as they come, imo.
She can actually talk. Let's face it, the Biden of 2020 and 2012 is mostly gone, he can't communicate like he used to, and pretending otherwise isn't helping. Harris was a DA in her past life. Lawyers, and especially DAs, have to be able to communicate effectively. My guess is that if you put a little polish on her, an absolute bull of a speaker/debater will shine through. It's just that the democrats haven't really given her a chance to shine. That or the possibility that same as they've been hiding Biden's condition, they're hiding that Harris is a truly wretched communicator who has wound up here through a comedy of errors, but I'm relying on Occam's Razor here.
The one time she stood out at all in the primary debates was when she put Biden on absolute blast for his record with regard to the black community. It wasn't smooth, it was obviously rehearsed, but it still landed a haymaker. It's not a stretch to think she could do the same to Trump.
Being a nothing candidate could actually be advantageous because, I mean, how do you attack that? She has almost no real baggage compared to Biden or Trump, and it wouldn't be hard for her to just set up a smorgasbord of different policy choices without sounding like a hypocrite or flip flop.
I really wish the democrats had had the foresight to prepare for this moment by picking a much better VP, or having an open and honest primary, but we're here now and there's nothing we can do about the past. Imo, Harris is the best chance we've got of keeping the fascists out for the next four years.
Yeah, I wouldn't vote for Harris in a primary, but there's nothing egregiously wrong with her. My biggest complaints in the primary were her prosecutor-history and her unreliable policy positions. I don't even think she's a centrist, I think she doesn't really have much in the way of policy at all. A blank slate willing to tack to the center if the progressive lane is full, or tack to the left if that's where the energy is. And the law and order history is basically no worse than Biden and kind of useful when one of Trump's big issues is all his court cases.
I wish we had a primary, I wish Biden hadn't effectively chosen the next nominee, and I wish that, if that was the intention, he would have put some effort into building her up rather than dumping shit jobs on her, but if we need to do an emergency replacement, she's fine.
Play up her former DA status. This year the election is between Law and Lawlessness.
Harris: "I would be happy to prosecute the case against the felon in the next debate, let's just see if he shows up for his court date or if he's too busy taking bribes from his rich tech bro friends."
Most people don't like Biden. More than don't like Harris. There was some early idea that Harris was uniquely disliked that people keep propagating for some reason. She's not a superstar, she lost the primary for a reason, but she's not some especially toxic politician. At least not for anyone who would say "keeping Biden is better".
She's a former prosecutor, she's not the best communicator, she isn't particularly charismatic, and she doesn't have a history of generating good legislation.
I’ll take it, she will still have that incumbent power and name recognition.
There are still a lot of people who might vote for Biden, but wouldn’t vote for a woman, especially a non white one.
If we get a chance, big if there, we will only get one.
Eh, we need to stop pretending like the only gettable votes are closet Republican racists. There are a lot more Democrats than Republicans, and Trump has turned off even more. Obama won twice and Clinton still beat Trump by millions of votes, and Clinton had a whole host of other issues more relevant than her gender. Non-white and women candidates are viable. Yeah, every vote is valuable, but Biden's been losing basic Democratic groups that Harris (or really any replacement) can reconnect with and juice turnout.
Yep, the Democratic problem is not persuading cultists on the other side, it's energizing the base.
If Biden could prove the debate was a one off he would have done so. His continued lack luster perform after the debate shows what the road to November looks like with him. Dems lose. Because most people who would vote blue will do so anyway. It's the 1 in 100 on the margins that will decide this thing. If Biden nominee = Trump 2nd presidency = all of the terror that comes with it, then who gives a flying fuck if Kamala right now polls even with Biden.
What, you don’t think that he was actually thinking real hard about beating Putin?
We can shore Biden up with a good Neuralink for the short term. Offload more and more functions to ChatGPT, but trained on someone articulate like Snoop Dogg.
With Biden’s political experience and Snoop’s ability to complete a sentence, we could keep this administration going. Let him google stuff too, in real time. Then he’s got an excuse for zoning out.
I will point out that Biden dropped out shortly after this epic burn
I've counted and I can guarantee there are at least two dozen Americans that aren't Harris or Biden.
Most people really don't like Biden either.
Not my fave plan but it’ll do. Shit, I’m voting D no matter what. I will always vote against the republican traitor filth.
Who would be Harris’ VP pick?
She'd probably pick a straight white guy to try to defuse some bigotry concerns, but in my fantasies she picks Katie Porter.
🤞Bernie Sanders 🤞
Can’t we find someone under 80?
Probably but who would fire the left up more than Bernie?
AOC, but that won't happen.
She can’t beat Trump.
I don't think we need someone popular to beat Trump. Just someone that can run a strong campaign.
Trumps fans may love him, but he is not himself a broadly popular figure in any other circles.
Trump is not a good candidate, everyone the dems run is just horrible