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You also have to accept being called "white", but noone gets up in arms about it.
not to be that guy here but I f do not identify as white. I understand I am racialized in my society as white, but whiteness is oppressive, and I reject whiteness. you may call me "Pennsylvanian" though.
You're a white dude, that's a fact, you can dress it up as much as you want but that's the whole point of this post.
I'm aware how others racialize me but it is not part of my identity.
then you should probably identify as some form of mixed then.
"some form of mixed" isn't my ethnicity. I'm a Pennsylvanian
well technically, you're some form of American, not Pennsylvanian. Technically, you're using a demonym which is actually irrelevant to ethnicity.
how dare you tell me my ethnicity doesn't exist.
well it's a demonym, which does exist.
If you were talking about race, i would agree with you, because race literally does not exist.
ethnically I am a Pennsylvanian..wtf..
ethnically would be some flavor of european, slav, asian, or south african/american and to some degree, american (considering the natives as american)
like i said, that's a demonym.
you're wrong and condescending: not a good combination.
doesn't take much googling to find out im not wrong. As for being condescending, i think i would just argue that i'm correct.
it's my ethnicity. I would know
well, i mean your genetics would know. I'm not sure you would, unless you can read your own DNA.
ethnicity isn't genetics
and dogs aren't genetics, neither are nuclear reactors, or vacuums.
this is a nonsequitur.
you made it first. You said that ethnicity isn't genetics. Which is true, because ethnicity != genetics. In order for your statement to be properly true it would have to something more like ethnic heritage = genetics, because heritage is genetics.
it's also culture. my family has been here longer than the USA. we predate the revolution by generations. I'm Pennsylvanian.
so you're part native american then?
there is family lore that I have a Dakota great grandma but obviously she would have had to move east and that's only 20th century anyway
regardless, though, I am pennsylvanian
yeah, anyway, while you are technically pennsylavnian, that's not ethnic, that's a demonym, ethnically you would be american/native american, and whatever flavors you have kicking around in your lineage going into the past.
Sometimes they're vaguely related, but they're still distinct concepts and not directly intertwined. It's analogous to the concept of state and country pride, you might be proud of your state, and also your country, in different though familiar respects.
I'm ethnically pennsylvanian, and you can't define my ethnicity out of existence.
i'm not defining it out of existence, you're the one defining it into existence, i don't think there is such thing as an ethnic Pennsylvanian.
I'm not even sure the state has been around long enough that you could even start to approach that term. This is why it's a demonym.
Ethnicity is generally related to long running family heritage. Which also means that it's generally some form of mixed, Caucasian being the most generous group category of all of them, ironically.
Speaking of ethnicity, the origin behind the term Caucasian, is literally that humanity started in the Caucasus mountains. Which is definitely bullshit, now technically Caucasian is referring to race, but it's used to refer to ethnicity these days, since race is kind of, bullshit anyway.
i mean your family might originate from what is now Pennsylvania, but that doesn't make them Pennsylvanian, that would make them natives of a specific descent, most of which is likely gone from your modern lineage, unless you kept it all within the group somehow. American expansion was one hell of a history lesson.
I am ethnically a pennsylvanian as you (and I, and every other source I've found) have defined ethnicity. I don't understand why you don't want my ethnicity to exist but kindly refrain from trying to deny it out loud like a fucking bigot.
yeah but it doesn't really make any sense though. Prior to Pennsylvania being Pennsylvania, it was literally Swedish. (well, and whatever other colony existed in that part at the time, the swedes are just one example)
By this argument, i'm [insert generic Midwestern state here] but that doesn't change the fact that i'm a mix of European, Germanic, and some other general flavor of mostly European lineage.
The states existence has no influence on my ethnic roots, just like how modern state lines in current day america don't like up with the original colonies. You could argue it's a part of your identity, and that's why it's a demonym. Unless you're stupid and don't realize i'm talking about the Pennsylvanian state in America, in which case i question how long you've been on the internet.
Ethnicity is a much broader term than demonym, you're talking about something on the scale of demonyms, a 4 story office building, i'm talking about ethnicity, something on the scale of the empire state building. These are simply two different things.
Also to be clear, i'm not denying your ethnicity, i'm arguing that you're using the term ethnicity wrong, because that's not ethnically relevant, it's a demonym, if you were to say your demonym was Pennsylvanian, i would agree with you. It doesn't take more than a few seconds of googling to realize you're just trolling.
Your statement is almost as bad as me arguing that i'm not ethnically white, because i have a 10% Hispanic ethnic basis. Which i'm sure both you and me, would agree, is fucking stupid.
in fact doing some cursory list looking here, wikipedia suggests that "Pennsylvania dutch" is a thing, but that's not what you're saying, and it has roots in Germanic, as well as seemingly the Amish? Though it's also protestant. And seeing as you're saying you have native heritage in your blood, i'm guessing you're probably not Amish.
whiteness is racism. it's not an ethnicity.
statistically, whiteness is european ancestry, more broadly being a combination of germanic, irish, french, polish, etc. It's more of a monolithic ethnic group considering how broad and consistent it seems to be amongst it's various groups, much like the term "black" is, or "african american"
Curiously, pennsylvania, isn't exactly a conglomeration of various different races, it's actually a state, which is entirely irrelevant to the people that are contained within it, interestingly enough.
your accusation of bad faith is, itself bad faith.
am i not allowed a little bit of shitposting in this braindead conversation that goes nowhere other than a poorly built brick wall?
Fascinating projection from you here.
i'm not. i'm pennsylvanian in that there is a particular culture and shared identity that i would continue to use to identify even in the absence of the state. it's an ethnicity whether you like it or not. you can't gatekeep the existence of ethnicities, and you can't gatekeep an ethnicity that you aren't even part of.
yeah and i also live in a state, my ethnicity is literally not that state though. My ethnicity is more broad than that, it has roots in europe, and it's various traces of genaology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnonym Maybe i didn't link this last time, but this is the variant of demonym, but for ethnicity. In order for pennsylvania to be on the ethnicities list, it would have to have some form of long standing, genetic run through many, many years of human history, enough to the point where there is a pretty substantial genetic grouping between these people, in comparison to other people. The state's largest ancestry groups, expressed as a percentage of total people who responded with a particular ancestry for the 2010 census, were German 28.5%, Irish 18.2%, Italian 12.8%, African Americans 9.6%, English 8.5%, Polish 7.2%, and French 4.2%.[102][103] if you have a look at the population demographic, fascinatingly, it's primarily germanic, irish, italian, and the other usual suspects. Ethnicity is very broadly defined, but it's generally as evidenced by basically every example of it, is extremely long running. Pennsylvania is like 200 years old. The vast majority of settlers would've been of european descent,
The USSR existed for a shorter period of time, but a much more restricted period of time, and weirdly, is not it's own ethnic majority. They're all slavic.
funnily, i'm not, i'm just arguing that it isn't an ethnicity, because you have given me no reasonable evidence that leads me to believe that it is an actual ethnicity other than "trust me bro"
arguably, you're ascribing me an ethnicity that i don't identify with, which is probably something that last i checked, you can't do. But apparently i don't make the rules here so.
Unless you can give me an argument thats more compelling than the definition of demonym fitting the terminology you're using, and how better than it currently does, i'm simply not going to agree with you.
that never happened. your gas lighting and ethnocidal monologues are disgusting.
by your definition of the word, if i lived in iowa, my ethnicity would iowan, but that's just fundamentally not true.
ethnocidal is a new one though, i'll give you that.
this is a strawman
it doesn't help that you aren't providing any additional context or elaboration on your point. You literally just said you live in Pennsylvania, and therefore, you are ethnically Pennsylvanian.
i where did I say I live in Pennsylvania? you are making leaps of logic.