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Hey, stop focusing so much on "I told ya so" to people who are definitely on your side. I was torn on it as well, but out of consideration for the potential impact being unknown. Hindsight is 20/20 and we're all better served by not gloating if we were right and instead focusing on the future path we are now on. Let's just keep it positive and build this victory through positivity instead of potential fractures with people who likely agree with you on the issues.
I think Biden supporters are not like bitter Bernie bros. I'm a Biden supporter, and all I'm seeing from fellow supporters is pleasant surprise. We didn't expect Harris to get this kind of support, but we're glad to see it.
Like Biden said in his speech today, saving our democracy is by far and away the most important thing, and it looks like Harris can do it so I'm happy to see my predictions were wrong.
I do still think Biden was done dirty, but Harris is an excellent candidate and will make a great President. And she has my full support.
If they hadn't been so arrogant and condescending while being absolutely completely 100% wrong, the temptation wouldn't be there.
But they were. They're the wing of the party that keeps insisting that everyone to their left doesn't know how anything works. Turns out, political reality isn't what it was in the early to mid '90s, and the republican-adjacent wing of the party is out of touch and doesn't know how anything works anymore.
It'll do centrists some good to eat crow. They need to reexamine their assumptions, because their assumptions led them to advocate continuing to run a losing candidate when democracy itself was on the line. And they need some of the uncharacteristic humility that some centrists in this thread are big enough people to actually show, and which I commend.
Well, when we were saying this isn't a good idea to replace Biden the only solution yall were giving was well let's have a vote and see what people think.
That's not what happened. Kamala stepped up and nearly everyone rallied behind her.
So don't act like you're any better because when we argued the only solution was 'let's just throw shit at the wall and see what happens'
Our solution was to replace Biden. We were right. You lot were predicting chaos because you wanted to keep a geriatric genocide supporter who was losing.
EDIT: Reply to me in public or not at all.
Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but id like to put a gentle reminder here that it doesn't help when political trolls show up pretending to be Democrats and start agitating people and causing infighting. There's actually sociology term for it. Covert trolling.
Sure, not everyone defending biden or those against biden was a troll, but I recently saw enough of them in the mix trying, and succeeding at causing infighting between people who otherwise agree on political issues.
I find it's helpful to remind myself that a lot of the people espousing inflammatory opinions and generally being rude online are trolls, and they don't reflect the real opinions of most of the population.
The trolls want to control the Overton window. We stop that by educating ourselves on their tactics, and recognizing them when they show up, and not engaging. They love nothing more than wasting everyone's time with long comment chains filled with circular arguments.
Also, your feelings are totally valid, just don't let shitheads make you bitter. I'm sure a chunk of the people you are calling out were instigators, and not people who actually believed what they were saying.
Sorry for the long comment, and feel free to ignore it if it's unhelpful to you!
It doesn't help that any time someone disagrees with a centrist, this is the immediate assumption.
unfortunately there's going to be people, often trolls themselves, who weaponize "you're a troll" to silence people. It's a way to deflect from their own inflammatory behavior. Or, it's someone who's sick of trolls and they are on high alert for them and had a false positive.
That's why I encourage people to not engage with a suspected troll. Their goal is to prevent productive conversations from happening and they enjoy wasting people's time. Instead of disagreeing with them, find someone else in the thread being reasonable and talk with them and contribute to productive and engaging conversations.
Also, sorry if this comes off a preachy, it's not my intention. I'm just trying to be careful with my wording so I say what I mean and don't accidentally offend.