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I love how all of lemmy and many other places on the internet bitched and moaned about people calling for Biden to drop out. Then he did and the party is more energized than it has been in years, and actually has a chance to, ya know, defeat American fascism.
I was one of those people. It seemed incredibly stupid to me.
I thought we’d fracture, and infighting would eat up our next three months. I thought it would squander our remaining chances. I thought the same people who didn’t want Biden also didn’t want Kamala, and I didn’t know of anyone else.
I thought it would open us up to litigation, and because I don’t trust our judicial branch, I thought that would let Republicans strangle a candidate in courts. Most importantly, I thought Republicans actually had a plan and a strategy.
I was very wrong and it doesn’t bother me at all to admit it. In fact, I’m relieved.
100% felt the same way as you. Now my sister and l are going to volunteer.
Respect you for saying that
Hell yeah! Looks like someone got some ass today!
I'm still one of those people. I think she is an OK candidate, but Mark Kelly is a far better one.
That being said, I don't see a "Bernie Bros" situation forming here. I don't see people voting against her if she wins the nomination.
I feel like a broken record as I keep repeating this, some agree some disagree I dont care.
Mark Kelly sucks. He opposes Medicare for all. Opposing Medicare for all is NOT a moderate position. It is definitively a right of center or conservative position. This is one of my personal deal breakers.
He also opposes the green new deal, as well as supported expanding oil drilling.
If these types of issues don't bother you then that's your prerogative.
Losing Arizona bothers me.
This, exactly. We have a history of winning the popular vote and losing the election. We can argue about how terrible the EC is later, but that fact is not going to be changed before the election. We need to win the EC.
Harris is a California Democrat. She will easily win the blue states that anyone with a "(D)" after their name would win, and she will almost certainly take the popular vote. But that isn't enough to win a presidential election.
Kelly is a unicorn. He is a Democrat that has the demonstrated ability to win in a red state. He will win any state that Harris will win, and he has a good chance at poaching enough voters to turn some otherwise red states competitive.
Harris might squeak through a win if we are very, very lucky.
Kelly will beat Trump like a rented redheaded stepmule.
The other senator form the same state also won as a Democrat. That doesn't mean Harris should select her.
Are you suggesting he be the nominee for president? In 2024?
The last thing the Dems need is to go to the right again.
Right there with you. Now...people are acting like this is over and it is very far from it but I'm at least cautiously optimistic. Here's to hoping Kamala makes a good VP pick and runs a good campaign. Long road ahead still but yes, I'm very much relieved it hasn't gone off the rails so far.
By god, so far I am ecstatic I was wrong. Here's to hoping I'll still be proven wrong all the way into November 5.
I will admit I was wrong.
At first I was like noooooo, then when he endorsed Kamala I was like, oh god nooooooo...but I'll eat my words. I'm excited and happy with the outcome so far and, regardless, was voting dem anyway.
Like, maybe I'm speaking too soon, but I almost feel...a modicum of hope again?
I'll admit I was wrong too. I thought it would turn into an intra-party squabble that lasted weeks, but I'm pleasantly surprised. It's nice to be able to make a positive choice instead of just a "lesser evil" one.
Okay, I rarely comment on political posts on Lemmy, because I value my time, and my sanity. And I agree with you. This is our best chance. But I just want to say that Kamala does not represent a way to defeat American fascism. She represents a way to buy some time until we can form a movement that goes so far beyond neo liberal policies it's unreal. It's still unlikely, but she's hopefully buying us 4 years.
Maybe I'm just being pedantic, but it genuinely worries me when people think that Kamala or really any major politician in the US can defeat fascism. Normal got us here, normal will send us right back.
Again, not trying to be an ass, and perhaps you also meant she buys us time, but this shit scares me. If she wins in November, and even I, as a filthy commie, I hope she does, it isn't a victory in the war against American fascism. It's a bandaid, a canteen of water, and a chance to regroup.
Need to shift the Overton window to the left again before we can even look at the really liberal ideas.
I agree with you, but Kamala will probably still be the most left leaning president the USA ever had by quite a bit (AFAIK), and has a good chance to start shifting the Overton Window; if only by showing the Democratic Party that choosing more left leaning candidates actually gives them better chances of winning.
Maybe in the last 50 years. FDR was closer to an actual socialist than any politician who's had that label applied to them in America since. Kennedy was far enough left that he got shot for it. Kamala could have a chance to do some real good but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Yeah what I mean is the trump admin would shepherd in full fledged fascism. Especially considering sotomayor's age. It's critically important to the entire world that he doesn't win. Certainly more work to do after he's defeated.
Yep. I was very wrong. I completely misread the pulse of the Democratic party.
The pulse of the Democratic Party was supposed to be measured during the primaries. Obviously they are broken.
I'm extremely happy to admit I was wrong. I did bitch and moan, but it didn't fracture the party at all.
Yeah, I really don't understand the people that were against Biden dropping out. It was so very obvious after that debate. Just no way he was going to beat that narrative.
I didn't expect the party to so quickly coalesce around Harris honestly. I thought if Biden dropped out, it would be chaos and the Republicans would sail to victory.
It almost seems possible the democratic leadership might have potentially possibly maybe learned something perhaps and came up with a strategy for how to deal with trump that doesn't hinge on trying to do the same things that worked in 2020 (and then failed miserably in 2022). Good for them! Maybe next they'll learn they don't have to court moderate republican voters to switch sides, and instead focus on the vast swath of Americans who feel so disenchanted with American Politics that they don't vote, or even really pay attention to politics, because the Democrats are, globally, conservative, and the Republicans are, globally, insane
I agree with pretty much everything you say here except one thing:
2022 was an unmitigated success for Democrats. Not only did we keep the senate but we kept the Republican majority in the House razor thin. That was in defiance of polling and historical precedent.
Do you remember how the right went from talking about a "red wave" to bitter complaining and damage control in the span of about 12 hours? How we damn near ousted Boebert? How Michigan became a blue trifecta for the first time since 1984?
2022 was far from a miserable failure. It was far, far better than we had any reasonable hope for.
Sorry I was living in a state where the DNC was experimenting with what the grand plan would be for 2024 and the result was Trump-lite in a stupid little fleece vest became governor and in the years since Virginia has become a much less safe place to be a person of color, queer, or a woman.
Fair. I'll retract the "unmitigated" part.
Also re-reading my apology for getting lost in the sauce of my own bias of how I viewed 2022 I realize i might come across as being snarky when legitimately I forgot how that year went for everyone else because I was so frustrated watching both sides in VA say one of the candidates was exactly like Trump. I wasn't being sarcastic in my prior comment. Legitimately. I goofed up and I'm sorry
No worries, friend. I always try to believe the best in people until they prove otherwise, so I never took your comment badly. And I've certainly been on the other end of losing my cool before, too. Your frustration is very understandable and I can relate.
Besides, I lived in VA for about 5 years myself. We're practically former neighbors.
I had a lot of fun trolling the chuds in my fantasy football chat.
I was absolutely baffled at how many downvotes I got for saying I didn’t think Biden had his head in the game after he was like “I’ll do my best but if I lose oh well 🤷♂️”. Like… holy fuck. That was perhaps the most catastrophically tone-deaf thing I’ve ever heard an otherwise fairly skilled politician say - and I’ve heard a LOT of politicians say a LOT of stupid things.
Hey, stop focusing so much on "I told ya so" to people who are definitely on your side. I was torn on it as well, but out of consideration for the potential impact being unknown. Hindsight is 20/20 and we're all better served by not gloating if we were right and instead focusing on the future path we are now on. Let's just keep it positive and build this victory through positivity instead of potential fractures with people who likely agree with you on the issues.
I think Biden supporters are not like bitter Bernie bros. I'm a Biden supporter, and all I'm seeing from fellow supporters is pleasant surprise. We didn't expect Harris to get this kind of support, but we're glad to see it.
Like Biden said in his speech today, saving our democracy is by far and away the most important thing, and it looks like Harris can do it so I'm happy to see my predictions were wrong.
I do still think Biden was done dirty, but Harris is an excellent candidate and will make a great President. And she has my full support.
I don’t know about “all of Lemmy.”
After the debate, most of the top comments were pro-dropout.
I swapped from calling for Biden to stay to calling for Biden to go once sitting Congresscritters spoke out in public asking him to step down, since the main advantage of incumbency is supposed to be the ability to preserve party unity, but I was still expecting a lot more "DEMS IN DISARRAY HOW CAN THEY EVER WIN" style narrative to take root. There's still time for me to be disappointed, but as of right now I'm pleasantly surprised.
I remember a week or two ago, the same crowd calling Biden to quit also bitch about how Harris would be a horrible replacement with absolutely zero chance gaining any support.
It turns out sending in a human instead of a vegetable might work out. That said, many complaints about her past as a "law and order" piece of shit are very valid.
Even now, I have a few reservations. I hope it doesn't get framed as some kind of DEI coronation. Well, I know the qons will try, but I mean, will it stick.
But if she's the choice, she's the choice. There are some alternatives I'd rather be running, but it is what it is. I'm still very pumped that Joe stepped down.
No one on the left is offended by inclusivity, so their tantrums about her race and gender fall on deaf ears.
Also, folks on the left know she was elected to her biggest roles and not appointed. She earned her way to the top, unlike the shitty fake judges appointed by the cockroach party.
Republicans have been crying wolf about DEI for so long, there's no way that's gonna stick.
Yup, just like CRT or woke, if I see a Republican mention it my brain translates it to "white nationalist grievance."