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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

"Your honor, it's true I purchased a hitman's services, but I didn't cause his actions. He made his own decision, it just happened to be the one I paid him to do."

[-] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

this is not at all analogous to buying meat on a shelf

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

Why not? You're saying that market signals don't matter, it's individual choice all the way down. You're paying people to produce meat and put it on the shelves, but according to you, that doesn't have any effect on the amount of meat produced and put on shelves. How is that not analogous to paying someone to kill someone and then pretending that that doesn't make you complicit?

You don't seem to understand how analogies work. You don't get to just say "Nuh uh" when I follow your principles to their natural conclusions. That's just a basic form of logical argumentation.

[-] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

but according to you, that doesn’t have any effect on the amount of meat produced and put on shelves.

not a causal one, no.

[-] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

You’re paying people to produce meat

no, i'm not. most people don't.

[-] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

You don’t seem to understand how analogies work.

[-] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

You don’t get to just say “Nuh uh” when I follow your principles to their natural conclusions.

that's not what happened

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Why did you make four separate one line responses to my comment, all at the same time? You realize you can put multiple things in one comment lol.

Also not only is that exactly what happened, but you're literally doing it again. This is just the Monty Python argument clinic sketch.

[-] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

making a leap of logic and doubling down doesn't make your position any more sound

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Since you seem incredibly confused about both how to argue and basic facts about reality, let me walk you through this.

You claimed that purchasing meat has no effect on whether more meat gets produced, because "they make their own decisions." This argument rests on the completely insane premise that paying people to do things does not influence their behavior or make you complicit when they decide to do what you paid them to do. If this were true, it would lead to the absurd conclusion that hiring a hitman to kill someone would not make you complicit in the act, because, by your logic "they make their own decisions" regardless of who's paying them to do what.

If you want to dispute that, you have to actually find a fault in that chain of reasoning, not just say, "Nuh uh" over and over again.

An argument’s a collective series of statements to establish a definite proposition. Contradiction’s just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.

[-] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

This argument rests on the completely insane premise that paying people to do things does not influence their behavior or make you complicit when they decide to do what you paid them to do.

wrong

[-] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

An argument’s a collective series of statements to establish a definite proposition.

i'm not making an argument. i'm contradicting yours.

[-] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

If this were true, it would lead to the absurd conclusion that hiring a hitman to kill someone would not make you complicit in the act, because, by your logic “they make their own decisions” regardless of who’s paying them to do what.

again, this is completely disanalagous with buying meat on a shelf.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Again, you don't get to just say, "No it isn't" over and over again without actually explaining why it's not analogous. That's how basic reason works.

Also, you can put multiple things in one comment so you don't spam the thread.

i’m not making an argument. i’m contradicting yours.

Yes, you're literally just disagreeing with anything I (or anyone else on my side) says, with zero supporting evidence or reason. It's not an argument, just contradiction. It's obvious that's what you're doing, but still hilarious that you would come out and admit it.

wrong. i said it is not causal.

Can you please explain what the difference is between an action being causal of another action vs an action... causing another action to happen?

wrong

Wrong.

[-] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

with zero supporting evidence or reason

wrong

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago
[-] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago
[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago
[-] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The dumbest timeline 🙄

[-] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Can you please explain what the difference is between an action being causal of another action vs an action… causing another action to happen?

i don't think you're capable of understanding cause and effect, so i guess this is done.

[-] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

You claimed that purchasing meat has no effect on whether more meat gets produced, because “they make their own decisions.”

wrong. i said it is not causal.

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