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Pretty cringe that you know someone who parrots Russian govt talking points though
Every ML and hexbear
That's not been my experience with either. Are comments like the above kids on the internet, bots, or something else? Someone please explain the contrast between my perception and the mainstream perception of this community.
An ML would believe Russia is wrong to invade because it's an imperialistic land grab. They reject NATO because it's also a tool of imperialism.
While I don't spend a lot of time on hexbear, I've enough presence to know that advocating an imperialistic land grab (be it by Russia or NATO) or for any authoritarian form of governance (be it "tankie" communism or christo-fascism) will get a user banned quickly.
Right, like this comment that got deleted for calling out Russian imperialism.
Wait. That's the complete opposite of what you were claiming.
That's a great example of exactly what I mean. I enjoyed reading the nuanced perspectives in context in the comments below. I agree with some of the points people made, disagree with others, and now have a better idea of how complex the local situation is in the past decade leading to war.
I learned that the core point in an argument for Russian invasion is that it was the majority will of the local people to defect from Ukraine to the Russian Federation, with or without sovereignty afterwards. And, I learned how to defeat that argument and its related points fairly soundly. Those couple of overly bleeding hearts were respectfully handled by the vast majority.
So, thanks for the link, I guess.
This is totally your alt. You’re really a hexbear.
Stop acknowledging that there is any nuance whatsoever wrt the invasion of ukraine, you're scaring the libs.
edit: self determination? never heard of it. Surely it can't be that both sides suck (unequally) because neither cares what the actual inhabitants of the disputed territory want. Russia is ontologically evil so if you identify as russian you don't deserve rights.
If the dispute was reversed the libs would be cheering for the brave Ukrainian separatist fighters and the liberatory Ukrainian invasion.
HA!
I guess. He's an Anarchocapitalist on every other day of the week. I just enjoy arguing amicably with people, and he does too, so our friendship works.
Ancap and staunch defender of authoritarian regimes?
Sound about right to me. Ancap is about capitalism with no limits, so it's an authoritarianism of money.
100% agreed. I'm more on the anarcho-commie/left libertarian side of things myself, so I recognize money and markets as being forces that are just as coercive and abusive as any government.
Tell me about it. Anyway, he's not under any illusions about how fucking backwards both the US and Russia's governments are, but he really believes that Russia's in the right on the matter of the war because there really are capital N Nazis that really are up to Nazi shit in Ukraine. As fucked as that genuinely is, imo I think that's just the flimsy pretense being used to justify a land grab, which is why I used the analogy of the US invading Mexico under the flimsy pretense of stopping the cartels. Well, here we fucking go, I guess.
He does know about the Wagner Group, right? And why it's named that?
Yeah, he actually runs a social group that managed to get a video response from Prigozhin shortly before Prigozhin's dollar store rebellion.
So he just doesn't get it at all, or doesn't think it's a big deal when Russia does it?
I can't speak for him, but I think everyone does some handwaving for their team. Unfortunately, the Ruso-Ukrainian war is practically a meme of Slavic conflict with all the shitty stuff happening, and it's got everyone's arms about broken with hand waving.
Does he exclusively consume zero hedge for his media? Because he sounds exactly like my frienemy. Without the amicable part.
I used to have friends like that.
Don’t count them as “friends” these people are friends until you become, gay, disabled etc. then they spit in your face.
It’s definitely a priviledge to be able to be friends with bigots.
He's gay, and he's always been there in a pinch. He's not a bigot, he's big on the Anarcho side, just wants people to not be interfered with and thinks a lot about how the government interferes with people a lot.
For context, I lived in the south when for a few years around the time Obama ran for president and met actual KKK members without their hoods. I'm white, so I did have the privilege of getting to immunize myself against their bullshit right from the source. Someone else I know came out as both trans male and an actual Nazi in almost the same blow. They claim to be an ironic Nazi, but that experience taught me that there's no such thing. I'm grateful for the encounter, as it gave me time to learn to recognize the enemy, but I don't speak with them anymore. I don't break bread with that type as a matter of policy, life is too short for that. I just learn enough to spot their shit and move on.