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Leader of the Venezuelan opposition says she is in hiding and fears for her life
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“I have proof to back up my claim but I’m not going to present it.”
Suuuure buddy.
Literally what the opposition is trying to do right now as Maduro hunts them across the country, trying to imprison them all or worse. Over 1,000 people from the opposition the regime Maduro has imprisoned. Meanwhile Maduro hasn't released any documentation that backs up his ridiculous results, results that conflict with numerous independent exit polls that show a landslide victory for the opposition. The election monitors Maduro himself invited, the Carter Center, have widely condemned the election. Leftist leaders in Colombia and Brazil are condemning him.
https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-presidential-election-maduro-machado-edmundo-results-3ec88b273cabfee8e5696ff67d24186d
Maduro has all the results immediately available to him and all the many recourses of an entire country's government but won't release. Meanwhile he's busy hunting and jailing opposition members who are trying to go individually from polling station to polling station across the country to try and get copies of receipts while the government does everything in their power to prevent their release.
Boggles my mind anyone could try and defend Maduro.
Oh and if you want to see what the opposition has been able to publish online so far look here:
https://supervisiondev2.metabaseapp.com/public/dashboard/6b2f7b3b-16ec-4af6-84c7-69c39ee2139d?tab=16-english
The only one trying to block transparency here is Maduro.
I'm sure the person you replied to will take the time to retract their statement, right?
Exactly! If Maduro is so sure about the numbers, why he's not going to present them?
That would certainly track with the exit polling that Edison Research did:
https://www.edisonresearch.com/edison-research-conducts-exit-poll-in-venezuela/
Also, the official results are pretty sketch. Maduro got 51.2% exactly. That would be fairly unlikely to get a vote tally to an exact tenth of a decimal but it could totally happen. But Gonzalez got 44.2% exactly as well (the third guy clearly got an exact tenth of a decibel too because basic math). The likelihood of both of them getting that is 1 in 100 million.
How many decimal places would you like to see? I think it's pretty normal to get only one, see e.g. https://www.tagesschau.de/wahl/archiv/2021-09-26-BT-DE/index.shtml
That's a graphic produced for public consumption not the official count of the election.
US gov’t-linked firm is source of exit poll claiming Venezuelan opposition won election
Wait...a Venezuelan pollster (Hinterlaces) did exit polling in Venezuela...where exit polling is illegal? The editor in chief of the site you are using worked for The Grayzone which is pretty notorious for spreading Russian and Chinese propaganda. They have hired many people from RT and Sputnik.
So, you admit the Edison poll is bullshit propaganda? Nice. Can’t take that back homie, the cat’s outta the bag.
Slight difference between a foreign company willing to break Venezuelan laws and the 'most independent' Venezuelan pollster, homie. Edison Research has a lot less to lose.
I do love how you show a picture of Machado and try to link her to the 2002 coup attempt despite the picture being taken 3 years later. Good job. You know what Edmundo Gonzalez was doing in 2002? Working for Chávez.
The official results were clearly made up. There was a 1 in 100 million chance that the results for Maduro and Gonzalez both landed exactly on a tenth of a percentage point. The official results were extremely unlikely. And there are receipts showing a very different result.
Like Chávez' attempted coup in 1992 that failed?
Source?
Are you unaware of the 1992 Chavismo failed coup attempt?
What sources would be acceptable for you?
Any source will do. Are you aware that is 2024?
Complains about unfair election. Breaks international laws to prove it. lol 😂
The source you cited broke international and local law....
I thought you were okay with that? 👍
As an outside perspective, the discussion would have been much more interesting to read if you had had any intellectual integrity whatsoever on these.
You mean like this:
source
No I mean applying the same logic regardless of your feelings.
Though I am sure you are (deliberately) misinformed as well.
It would also help if you could use your words instead of sending a gif of yourself playing cymbals.
Oh, you want logic:
Argumentum ad hominem
The projection continues. You don't even understand what it means. Continue playing your cymbals, little one.
From an inside perspective, this comment would have been much more interesting to reply to if you had any intellectual integrity and contributed to the substance of the post.
They had time to make a cryptic post that could manipulate public sentiment, but couldn’t have lead with the evidence they claim to have? Yeah, nah that sus.
Either put out the proof or don’t make the claim. Until that point, this person cannot be trusted.
While Maduro tries to imprison them all and prevent the release of any results, the opposition is working hard to compile all the results they can get their hands on online for anyone to see:
https://supervisiondev2.metabaseapp.com/public/dashboard/6b2f7b3b-16ec-4af6-84c7-69c39ee2139d?tab=16-english
The only person that can't be trusted here is Maduro.
https://supervisiondev2.metabaseapp.com/public/dashboard/6b2f7b3b-16ec-4af6-84c7-69c39ee2139d?tab=16-english
Weird. There was a coup attempt aided by the United States in 2002. And here is the current opposition leader Maria Machado meeting with the guys who attempted the coup in 2005: