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Asians are less ‘humane’ – Ukrainian security chief
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Don't you guys think all Ukrainians are nazis?
Now you see, THIS is whataboutism. The point here is that we have a leader in the current Ukrainian government who comes out and says that he considers Russians to be subhuman. You come up with a baseless claim that we think all Ukrainians are nazis. We think that the current government of Ukraine is dangerously far right and descended from actual nazi collaborators. You don't want to hear it because it doesn't fit your world view.
You might also be interested that I translated it using AI. Results weren't great, but language used around the 26 second mark matches the translation in the tweet pretty well. You can do this yourself instead of just calling it fake and lashing out at the left.
I’m interested in how far we’ve come with this. What software did you use?
I didn't spend too much time on it, and it could probably be done better. I just used free web tools to download the video and autogenerate subtitles. The text at the section I mentioned says this:
Fed into google translate, we get this:
Again, results weren't great (which is why I didn't post them the first time. Someone with more time on their hands could do better). But it hits a lot of the same words as the native speaker's quote, and it seems to indicate something racist is being said. The first auto-subtitler I used was completely useless, the second was "good enough" for my purposes. I have no reason at all to believe that the original translation was fake, and this didn't contradict the original translation.
If I were to try a third time, I would probably upload it to youtube and try using their tools, but I didn't really want to upload it to my youtube account. Google's natural language processing is pretty good.
Buddy reddit/r/ russia was full of you like minded nutjobs calling Ukrainians nazis. There's tons of video clips of the same. Your poorly translated version is NOT what he's saying. Context matters and you getting a snippet of it is not what's being said.
Being a nutjob is when you don't erase all your pre-2022 memories of all the western reporting about Ukraine's Nazi problem
No? I think there is a Nazi problem, but that's it.
Though uh, the Ukrainian security chief is sounding like a Nazi here...
Again thanks for highlighting exactly my point. Baseless nonsense as cconsumed from russia one. You guys are amazing.
He's literally saying Russians = Asians = subhuman
Like???
I've seen one article parroted by Russian propaganda engines saying thus. Never seen a video or any other sources saying it.
https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1687461201565868032
here's the video, can't confirm the translation of course but if you want to try and find a russian speaker to translate this for you to disprove us go ahead
*crickets*
Tbf they last posted before I responded, probably havent seen it yet. Still, based on their behavior in the rest of the thread, I’m expecting either silence or some insane goalpost shift
What he said was that Russians aren't like Ukrainians. More Asian than Ukrainians are and that they think differently.
Context is important and your poorly translated version is NOT what he's saying. He's not saying all Asians are subhuman- he's saying they have a different past and are influenced by it. He's saying Russians are more violent based on where they come from and the past they've had. This is something he hadn't counted on etc.. etc.. etc.. since this is just a clip I don't know where he was going with it. But it sounds more like he saying ukrainian military is more humane with regards to how they treat people than the russians.
MY point is that you and your type will just say a thing based purely on propaganda.
When your worldview has no fascist undertones baked into it whatsoever and you're definitely the good guys
Your type being the morons who jump on propaganda. Not a specific race... moron.
Even if what you’re saying was true, how is that not racist?
It might be considered racist a bit. I don't know because I don't have the full video so not sure where he was headed with it. As I mentioned it seemed like he was setting up to compare how Russian military is treating people less humanely than the ukrainian military.
What he's definite NOT saying is Asians are subhuman and Russians are Asians and therefore also subhuman.
It's kind of why I said my initial comment- "oh russophobia isn't real" is a propaganda technique to try to spread the thoughts that people just hate Russians for Russians sake- when if I take an equally touted stance of all Ukrainians are nazis as being equally ridiculous.
What the fuck this is a Nazi talking point holy shit.
I don't know how bad that Nazi problem is in Ukraine, but that motherfucker is a Nazi
Stop defending him. What's wrong with you?
? Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Asian cultures in general have a different outlook on things than say... European or American or African. That's not really a nazi talking point and that you have decided it is really is more of a you problem
Categorizing the world into "European" and "Asiatic" is Nazi shit. Lumping Indians and Arabs and Chinese and Russians all together as one big Asian blob is just racist.
It's not... I also mentioned Americans and African. All of these are continents full of different people from different races and countries. That you think any one of then is special and is an exception to this is more racist...
Continents aren't real
We made them up! Eurasia should actually be a single continent, there's no logical basis for dividing Europe off from Asia other than racism.
Well... that certainly answers a lot of questions about how you've come to the conclusions you have.
If liberals didn't have meaningless smug platitudes with no substance, they would have nothing whatsoever with which to drown out their denial.
Oh yeah totally. Cause as we all know there's definitely no such thing as continents and it's totally a racial thing that they exist at all. Lol. Projection much?
Bonus points for thinking I'm a liberal.
Well there sure as shit isn't an "Asian culture" is there? What the hell would that even mean?
Like I said, lumping Indians and Arabs and Chinese and Russians all together as one big "Asian" blob has no basis in cultural reality. To then go farther and to say that Russians are more like Indians/Arabs/Chinese than they are like Ukrainians is simply incoherent.
Christianity came from Asia. Israel is an Asian country. Think about that for a second.
And? im not arguing about culture.
It's pretty obvious though that people from different areas of the world have different ideas from each other and tend to have more similar ideas to their neighbors and is influenced by their histories.
You think about it all you want. I can see this was never about actual discussion- you and yours just wanted to pile on another ruzzian propaganda talking point and have your echo chamber.
People from Russia and people from Ukraine are from a pretty fucking similar area of the world and have intertwined histories, wtf are you talking about?
Incoherent. You're trying so hard to excuse obvious Russophobia and it isn't working because you're just... wrong. No everyone who disagrees with you is a Russian agent lol
Nah bud- I'm not the guy who said the thing. I agree he probably worded it poorly. I wouldn't have said it that way because I agree russia and ukraine are in proximity. I also know russia shares a LOT more proximity with Asia than any European country. I'm also aware russai literally spawned from kyiv. There's a lot going on there. Which is why i don't and wouldn't bring race/location/etc into it in the first place. Especially if my country had a history of racism/corruption/etc. But again I'm not the one saying it.
What he said vs what you guys are trying to make it is ALSO not something I would do if my country was well-known world wide for making thin propaganda pieces out of the tiniest click bait bullshit.
The people in here all live in lemmygrad /comrade/etc and can't handle when bullshit propaganda gets pulled out and called out. That's you. Russian or otherwise you have an agenda and aren't actually up for doing research into a thing as long as it supports your narrative.
Well I wouldn't call my enemies Asians and assert my own European identity if I was being accused of being a Nazi.
It seems you basically agree he said the wrong thing. I have no idea why you're defending him - if it's not racism, it's at least xenophobic. "They are fundamentally different from us" isn't always Nazi shit, but it's always wrong!
"Everyone who disagrees with me is a foreign agent!"
Fuck off. I make car parts in Iowa. No one is paying me to argue with you, I came to these conclusions all on my own.
I'm not on Russia's side. I'm against the war.
I'm just against both sides of the war. You can do that, you know?
Had me in the first half- I was all set to say now you get it. Then you went right back off the deep end. You live in commutopia and fail to use critical thinking. The comment about my country was directed at Ukraine and russia and there supporters/etc. if you identify as one that's on you.
Yeah racism is wrong regardless. No it doesn't default into making you a nazi. It makes you flawed like everyone else. But it sur isn't "OMG UR A NAZI"
I haven't checked everyone's in here but everyone I have checked has very poignant comment histories- so, so far, it's accurate to say that everyone in here arguing isn't here for anything except more Russian propaganda
I'm in the US, so it's absolutely pointless for me to speak out against Russia. I have zero input on that side of the war. I'm an irrelevant bystander as far as Russia is concerned. What's the point of having a fair and balanced comment history?
But I sure as shit have input on this side of the war! I speak to other English speakers about the need to end the war from our side because they might listen. I put my efforts into pointing out that we are supporting extreme nationalists and racists, because on top of being factually true it highlights the blowback potential.
So don't be surprised when this turns out just like Afghanistan with the US funding extremists against Russia that then turn around and attack the US.
This is how we get the next 9/11
History repeats.
How very myopic of you. Us isn't supporting a resistance or terrorist group- its supporting the legitimate autonomous government against an imperialistic power grab from a dying last gasp from russia.
History does repeat itself and traditionally russia goes into steep declines after failed power grabs. I see no reason this will be different.
I mean Euromaidan was a US supported coup but whatever
I can agree with the end of your comment - Russia's future is as China's gas station
As for a balanced comment history- it would show you actually think about a thing rather than latching onto propaganda talking points that fit a preconceived narrative.
Normally I'd debate you on this too- but I'm pretty sure you aren't interested in providing actual data and are going to default to propaganda.
are you claiming to be able to speak Russian?
I'm claiming to be able to understand enough plus have a Russian speaking partner to back me.up
btw I just want you to know that even your supposed different translation is insane,
Wtf does being "more Asian" mean? This is in the same vein as the nazi "asiatic hordes" bullshit
I really don't know where he was going with it. I admit it was probably poorly worded but it definitely wasn't what you guys are trying to paint it as. I can speculate-as I've already done.
I know where he's going with it, he's dehumanizing them, there's no other reason to paint them as "more Asian" it's literally a fucking Nazi dog whistle that Russians are barbaric Asians
Yeah again. Thanks for making my point. You guys just keep drinking russia one
do you have no knowledge of WW2? this isn't something Russians came up with???
The only people on Earth that care about the """important""" question of whether Russians are or are not ~~white~~ European are Nazis.
Saving this comment for later whenever Western press gets around to covering the story.
Supposedly he said it on live TV. That'd be a hell of a thing for Russia to lie about lol
Oh yeah- like russia doesn't lie about obvious things. Bombing civilians at railways, bombing civilians sheltering under theaters, bombing civilians in maternity wards, bombing civilians in retirement homes etc etc etc.
I'd be willing to bet money someone is deliberately misquoted or changing context of somethig said.
Lying about bombing civilians is standard in warfare. Everyone does it.
It definitely could be a misquote! That's why I'm saving your comment - I want to know if I'm wrong later.
Will you listen to yourself projecting European raciasm onto your enemies? No one has ever said Ukrainians are Nazis nor have they have ever said the existence of Nazis in Ukraine is a function of their culture and their genetics. What we have said is that Ukraine has neo-Nazi movements in it that trace their lineage all the back to the Third Reich and that the US has armed, funded, trained, and organized these Nazi groups because they are useful to US strategic aims. We then couple that with the historical fact that the US has voted against the resolutions condemning the glorification of Nazis at the UN multiple times, and we show how the "democratic" government that was ushered in on a US-backed coup incorporated the Nazi elements, giving them legitimacy, political cover, access to more weapons, training, and funding, and sending a clear signal to the world that Nazism is both acceptable and useful in the battle for total European dominance of the region as part of the larger US project for total domination of the world, which the US inherited from European colonial powers.
The de-nazification that we wish to see in Ukraine is the destruction of the support systems that enable these neo-Nazis to continue to operate, expand, recruit, and propagandize.
None of this is based on anything even resembling the racism of the West, and to suggest as much as to tell on yourself how much you believe the Western propaganda that everyone acts like the West. It's just not true.