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I know MediaBiasFactCheck is not a be-all-end-all to truth/bias in media, but I find it to be a useful resource.

It makes sense to downvote it in posts that have great discussion -- let the content rise up so people can have discussions with humans, sure.

But sometimes I see it getting downvoted when it's the only comment there. Which does nothing, unless a reader has rules that automatically hide downvoted comments (but a reader would be able to expand the comment anyways...so really no difference).

What's the point of downvoting? My only guess is that there's people who are salty about something it said about some source they like. Yet I don't see anyone providing an alternative to MediaBiasFactCheck...

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

So the points are made up and nothing matters. Got it.

But about libertarians, you haven't begun to see what can be privatized. By the time they're done you'll be living in housing attached to your job. Unions will be legal but anyone attempting to form one will be murdered. You will be paid in company scrip. Hostile takeover will mean PMCs from your competitor actually taking the factories by force. And the list goes on. If you think libertarians are just after the post office then you're not paying attention.

And again. You cannot just declare it's a US only platform while rating international sources and making that available to international people. That is an international platform by default.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago

Actually yes, the points are all made up. This is just how human society works. We were not given these ideas by god or something, set into some type of mystical stone. We came up with them all, and we can change them any time we feel like it. It definitely matters though.

I think you read too much science fiction. Company housing actually used to be a thing in the US, but corporate PMCs invading each others factories is unlikely any time this century.

I didn't say it was a US only platform, again, you are saying things I am not saying. What I am saying is that it is a US service, not US-only, simply by-and-for the US and thus from a US perspective. Other people are free to use it or not use it as they see fit.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

So you're inviting people to use it and get information you admit is out of alignment. Got it.

And yes all of that happened in the 20th century except the PMCs. But once you destroy government, what's going to stop them? Their natural good will? No you refuted that theory. ("We were not given these ideas by god or something,")

I just have to ask, do you work for MBFC? Because you are bending over backwards to defend its ratings.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago

It is not out of alignment with the US in the slightest.

There you go again with destroying the government, despite that being nowhere in the platform. And when did companies pay with "private scripp" instead of US dollars?

No, I just don't like misinformation. You very much do, with your grossly exaggerated claims. I am very unsurprised that any sort of fact checking service deeply bothers you.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Again. You cannot have it both ways it's either an international platform or locked down to Americans only. And even then it's a subjective standard being used, not an objective one. A standard that whitewashes radical conservative rags.

It was legal and prevalent until the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938. Since then there have been a couple wartime exceptions that were done at a 1 to 1 ratio. Company scrip that was outlawed was never at a one to one ratio.

And just because they never use the words "destroy the government" does not mean they won't do it. The actions they want to take will destroy the government. It's like when they advocate for the "fair tax". They know what the results are, they're just hoping you don't. (Lookup Brownback Experiment) And libertarians advocate for the complete elimination of the income tax. Not just the deep cuts that Brownback did.

These aren't exaggerated. These are things corporations did in history. And while a factory was never taken over by force, the railroads used force to murder people and clear land for the railroads. We know what happens if you don't have laws, regulations, and enforcement mechanisms. I'm sorry someone failed to teach you history in school but don't come in here calling actual history an exaggeration.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago

No, it's actually not that arbitrarily black and white based on nothing more than terminology. As an example, we have MBFC that rates international sources by an American scale. This exists, so clearly it is possible. I also don't see how it whitewashes conservative rags when it rates them on both accuracy, where many of them do poorly, and categorizes them on the right, where they belong.

Yes, they do advocate for drastically reducing the federal government down to basic law enforcement and military. I agree that this is a bad idea. That they want to "destroy the government" if given the chance is a slippery slope argument though. Regardless, the question is how radical it is on the American left/right axis, and these days, it is not particularly. 40 years ago perhaps it was further right.

No, you're very much exaggerating, consistently and across the board. Company scrip was not widespread, it was a feature of mining and logging towns, in an era where our country still ran on resource extraction. Reducing government and destroying government are factually two different things. Companies running around with PMCs is extremely unlikely any time this century. Much like these exaggerations, you ask things like if I'm paid by MBFC, as if they would pay someone to make comments on some tiny, obscure social media platform. You're a troll, quite clearly. I would not be surprised in the slightest if you come here with your discord buddies just pretending to be a leftist, just to stir up shit and have a good time.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Oh no I was wondering if you were the one responsible for their shit model. You're certainly very invested in minimizing the impact of irresponsibly labeling media. And irresponsible is the best interpretation.

At any rate we're done here until you take a US history course. They're free online.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago

Nope, afraid not, I am a completely volunteer opponent of online bullshit. Even the farthest left side, factuality is just too important.

Some quibbling about something being slightly off on the left/right scale is far less important than actual fact checking.

Toodles.

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