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Trump is a threat whether he wins or loses, Biden says
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No matter what happens, I'm worried. I'm not even American.
Resident Canadian here.... If Trump loses, we're possibly looking at another January 6th, and potentially it will be far far worse this time... If he wins, there may be a similar uprising for the same reason.
If he's elected and sworn in to office, there's a very real chance that he will be the last president, voted in to power by an election, and sworn in.
Every outcome is scary. Good luck you guys.
I'm not really worried about another January 6th if Trump loses. The reason why it was a threat was because Trump was still in power and he or his lackeys made sure there wasn't much security that day.
What the republican machine is setting up for this go around is at the local level. They are putting funding into "election monitoring" and there is also the risk that certain states or localities refuse to certify a Kamala win.
This is guaranteed to happen. Thankfully, it seems it will only be happening in states we weren't counting on anyway.
Idunno, man. I thought I heard of some of this shit going down in Georgia, which was an important swing state for Biden in `20. Arizona was also important, and I'd be surprised if there aren't MAGA crazies installing themselves into the election machinery there. Pennsylvania is another state to worry about.
edited to add this link to a story about this, even though it's paywalled and I can't read it: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-swing-state-officials-election-deniers-1235069692/
Those are great points. I agree that this is dangerous. I have hope for Arizona because they have a Dem governor. Georgia... Georgia is little spookier.
They also hold the House and have captured the Supreme Court (three of the justices were lawyers on the Bush side of Bush v. Gore!). They are clearly setting themselves up to declare Trump the winner regardless of what the actual Electoral College vote is.
While that’s possible, I kind of suspect that if Trump clearly loses this election, the Republicans will just start distancing themselves from him.
He’s 78 and on trial for multiple felonies. In 4 years he’ll be 82 with 2 election losses in a row and possibly be still embroiled in legal battles. I just don’t see the Republicans trying as hard as they did in 2020 to keep him afloat when they can just ditch him and focus on their rebrand for 2028.
It’s already happening with his voters/followers. I went to a rodeo last weekend, it was small but still very “country”. I did not see one person wearing trump gear. 4 years ago it would’ve been hard not to see someone wearing a trump shirt or hat.
He and his sycophants have also cost them an absurd number of national elections since 2016. They’re tired of losing.
His ideas are concerning and the confidence with which he goes about expressing them, even more so.
What gives me relief is the piss poor execution and the incompetent people he surrounds himself with. He has turned and burned so many loyalist of his that he is left scraping the barrel. His campaign is rule by clowns and he surrounds himself in an echo camber of social media and poltical personalities. Even if he were to win, it will crumble, much like his many many businesses, as their is no foundation.
Even if Harris wins, it's not like there is some magic utopia her administration will create. I do wish Trump wasn't such a distraction so we could have meaningful conversations about public policy that matters instead of talking about crowd sizes and where someone's parents were born.
Everyone on every level is aware of these possibilities. We have a democratic president in power this time so things will go far differently if the 1/6 route is chosen. It will be a dark day for sure but at the end of it we won't have to worry about a lot of idiots anymore.
Think less "Jan 6 2.0" and more "Brooks Brothers Riot 2.0," except with the controversy manufactured by traitorous election boards refusing to certify due to blatant lies instead of "hanging chads," and a SCOTUS stacked with partizans itching to help them get away with it.
J6 was only able to happen because Trump was the current president. They're in a far better position to be ready this time.
It won't be worse. The current administration wouldn't be supporting it or sanctioning it like last time.
The clowns that would try to commit sedition again would be managed just fine. The Capitol will be locked down and the national guard will be called up.
Trump losing is the only option for American democracy. He will be irrelevant after this next loss. The party will 180° on him as soon as he loses. Especially when they lose down the ballot and lose both chambers.
They are looking for any reason to get their party back that would do it.
If he loses, not only will there be a Jan 6 2.0, but some of those red states are going to pass BS laws to make an even harder push to ensure Blue candidates ever win their state again.
Already been done. GA passed a law in 2021 allowing the legislature to take over any county election office they deem 'incompetent' and promptly started the investigations that will let them throw out Atlanta ballots.
And SCOTUS is stacked with partisan lawyers from Bush's side in Bush v. Gore to rubber-stamp that blatant election fraud.
Well if there is another insurrection, you can bet good money on it that the US government is ready this time
The Oath Keepers were already planning to flee to Kentucky and start an insurgency after Jan 6th. Even random insurgencies throughout the rural U.S. or a stream of hightening terrorist attacks in an American Years of Lead could be incredibly scary and terrible for the country.