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"Skin in the Game" is a powerful filter. If people are not willing to put their money where their outrage is, then their opinions and desires will be completely disregarded.
I can bet that the majority of people here on Lemmy have paid a handsome amount of money for their corporate-controlled smartphone, yet paying less than 3 bucks a month to sustain an independent internet is such an ordeal? I have no sympathy for these types.
I do have sympathy, considering a smartphone has become somewhat a necessity and not everyone is aware of options like the FairPhone. I agree about the filter, but it's also true that no matter how much time social media consumes in peoples' life, a lot of people would not want to say "I spend money on social media," to look quite that online, no-life internet obsessed what a loser and all other sorts of insults. And even if they told nobody, they might feel ashamed about it—because oh my god, who pays for social media except a terminally online power-tripping mod lmao. Especially since the norm now is to not pay, and people tend to resist change that incurs any cost on them. Ads and the corporate control thing are probably just a minor annoyance for most people, they personally have not hit their bullshit limit yet, not everyone has the same priorities. I'd like them to have the option of a nice ad-free social media too. If I wasn't around for the Reddit API drama I would not even be aware of the Fediverse and would not be here having this discussion with you. Also, not everyone is in a financial position to donate for social media.
Honestly kind of fearing a negative response because of your statement you have no sympathy for that kind of person—which means you might be more willing to engage in a harsh manner with me too. But I'll take that risk in order to speak up in opposition to the no sympathy viewpoint.
Hard disagree. Computers? Internet access? Sure. Those are very difficult to live without. But a smartphone is still a convenience at best and an expensive toy at worst. The only reason that people think that is such an indispensable part of our lives is because people (especially in North America) will happily give away their freedoms in the name of convenience, and corporations will gladly profit from that.
My lack of sympathy does not mean animosity. It just means that I do not submit to the idea that people can "play the victim card" when talking about the evil corporations if they are not willing to put anything on the line.
There are plenty of people who will say "I accept the ads because that is what allows me to have so much content for free". I may disagree with that, but at least it is consistent. What is hard to swallow is to see a bunch of Gen Z privileged people "protesting" against spez without giving up on anything of material substance.
Some people get a smartphone instead of a computer, but you are right, I probably should have said "something with internet access."
Sorry. In my experience, lack of sympathy is often paired with animosity and harshness, so I am a little wary. Disagreements in real life are a lot easier because you can tell tone better, and if the person is civilly disagreeing, or if they are going to start getting hostile on you. I'll agree to disagree here.